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[jezmund]

Yeah, I haven't seen Nachbar but if we could get him and Rice for Grob, I'd do it.

I just looked at a deal on Realgm that was:

Atlanta gets: Barry/Radmanovic/James/#12/#14
Seattle gets: SAR/Dickau/#21/#37

This trade really intrigues me. Especially if we are going to have a problem resigning SAR for a reasonable amount in 2 years. I know we won't get SAR like talent at #12/#14 but we could definitely deepen our team. At one spot, I'd look at a SG/SF like Pavlovic or Diaw and the other a big man like Sweetney. If Diaw can really handle the ball than I would definitely give him a look.

JT/(vet?)
Barry/Diaw
Radman/Nachbar/Rice
Sweetney/Hendu
Theo/James/Nazr

This seems like a little much actually. Too many young players kind of scares me. Maybe Houston keeps Nachbar and throws in a future pick. Than I would look at resigning Newble and possibly Kenny Anderson.

JT/Anderson
Barry/Diaw
Radman/Newble/Rice
Sweetney/Hendu
Theo/James/Nazr

Not sure if Radmanovic is the athlete to play SF but that team is sure 12 men deep. Maybe the Seattle deal would be a 3-way where Radmanovic and maybe Nazr went somewhere that got us a nice SF like Maggette. Sign-and-trade with LAC? Radmanovic/Nazr for Maggette? I know I'm getting a little carried away here but look at this....

JT/Anderson
Barry/Diaw
Maggette/Newble/Rice
Sweetney/Hendu
Theo/James

JT/Barry/Maggette/Sweetney/Theo

That squad could run with a lot of folks. It's all just BS I know but let me dream.

[KB21]

I'd do the Houston trade, but that is in no way a good trade for Shareef.  I wouldn't take that for Shareef alone.

If we are even considering trading him, the asking price has to include an established player AND two lottery picks.

Radmanovic is a nice player, but his upside isn't enough to get Reef.  And what the Hawks get at 12 and 14 will never match up to Reef anyway.

Again, I would consider a deal with Miami if they include the 5th pick and a future unprotected pick.

[Dolfan23]

I guess being a Hawks fan has clouded the vision that GRob had another very good year this year, just like he does every year.  Sure he doesnt play good defense and turns it over too much and the Hawks TEAM didnt play too well together with him in the lineup, but that means nothing concerning his value.  There is absolutely no reason to think that the Hawks couldnt get a good player and a lotto pick for Dog.  Either that or an established solid veteran and a young player with a lot of potential.  

I just cant understand why anyone would dislike Robinson so much that they would want to trade him for an overpaid old gimp who will provide nothing to this team except take up a valuable roster spot without any sort of production.  Thank God the Hawks organization would never do this.  The ONLY way that they would trade Robinson for garbage would be for someone like Grant Hill or Terrell Brandon so that they can get serious cap relief, but thats it.  Even still, in 2 years we are over the cap even without Robinson so that wont help much so we have to get a first round pick or two to along with one of those guys.  

If anyone can explain why its reasonable to trade Robinson for garbage without getting something back to help the team in the future or now I would really love to hear it.

[PoppaFritz]

Dolfan, you are probably right about GRob being worth more than what people have been purposing of getting back. That concerns me too, look at Milwaukee they are sitting with the #8 pick and Kukoc for Big Dog...I would hope that we could get at least a mid-first round draft pick and solid veteran in return. If not, we should hang on to him and see what happens next year. Obviously there are times when you have to cut your losses and move on but has it really come to that? It's not like the Wizards when they traded Webber for Mitch Richmond and Richmond wasn't a contributer. I'm not a fan of Big Dogs but at least he can put the ball in the hole, that should be worth something in a trade.

[KB21]

No one is going to deal for Robinson unless they get to dump something off onto the Hawks.  His value isn't high because he isn't a team player and isn't a player that is conducive to winning.  It's hard to win with a player like him in the line up because he's out there only for himself.  He steals shots from other players and he doesn't play any defense.

Maybe this time next year there will be more interest in Robinson since he will be in the last year of his contract.  Even then, someone will try to dump a salary off onto the Hawks.

Even if the Hawks got a hardass coach like Rick Carlisle, it isn't going to help Glenn or make him become more of a team player.  Glenn is not an introspective person, and he's not going to look at his game, see the flaws, and work on those flaws.

What you get with Glenn Robinson is a guy who is going to take his 20 shots a game, score his 20 points a game, and rest on defense.  Whether we win or lose, it doesn't matter.  As long as Glenn gets his 20 points a game, he's fine.

[PoppaFritz]

Let me clear one thing up. I can't stand watching Big Dog play. You are 100% right about him being selfish and that he doesn't play hard all the time, which drives me crazy. Still, consistent scorers in the half court are hard to come by and Big Dog provides that. That being said, I just hope we don't throw him away without getting something in return. Yes, his value isn't as high as it was when we got him but I think it would be a mistake to exchange him for cap relief and nothing else.

[KB21]

His value wasn't high when we got him.  We traded an aging player in Toni Kukoc and a draft pick that we had no idea would be a lottery pick.  If we knew the pick we give up would be in the lottery, I don't think Atlanta would have ever pulled the trigger on that trade.

[KB21]

I don't think he would work out in Houston either.  In both places, he needs to be no better than the 3rd scoring option, and he's simply not going to settle for being a role player at this point.

The whole idea around getting him was that it gave us a perimeter shooter to take some pressure off Shareef in the post.  It didn't work, because most of the time, Robinson shot the ball before it ever got to Shareef in the post.

Jeff Van Gundy wants to make Yao Ming the focal point of the offense.  He wants Yao to touch the ball on most offensive possessions.  He's going to have a tough enough time selling that to Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley.  It would be even tougher if he added Glenn Robinson to the mix.  Francis, Mobley, and Robinson have never met a shot they didn't like.

[Diesel]

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is value isn't high because he isn't a team player and isn't a player that is conducive to winning. It's hard to win with a player like him in the line up because he's out there only for himself. He steals shots from other players and he doesn't play any defense.

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2001-02.... 41 41..... .500
2000-01..... 52 30.... .634  (Allstar)
1999-2000 .42 40.... .512  (Allstar)
1998-99.... .28 22.. .560
1997-98... . 36 46 ... .439
1996-97..... 33 49 ... .402
1995-96.... 25 57... .305
1994-95..... 34 48.... .415

Why not compare Robinson's teams winning percentage to SAR's or JT's?  Then tell me who is conducive to winning.

Highlights;

1994-1995.

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Robinson teamed with All-Star Vin Baker to give the Bucks a formidable forward duo. His average of 21.9 points per game ranked 10th in the league, first among NBA newcomers, and was better than that of any Bucks rookie since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

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1995-1996

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In late November, Mike Dunleavy shook up the roster with a pair of trades that resulted in the acquisition of Benoit Benjamin and Sherman Douglas. The trades left the Bucks with only five players on their roster from the previous season. Despite the shakeup, the Bucks continued to struggle.

Individually, Robinson and Baker continued to develop into one of the league's top frontcourt tandems. Baker, in his third season, was named to the All-Star Game for the second straight time. He was one of the league's leaders in points (21.1 ppg) and rebounding (9.9 rpg). Robinson chipped in 20.2 ppg, meaning the duo supplied more than 43 percent of the team's points, numbers the likes of which hadn't been seen in Milwaukee since 1971-72, when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob Dandridge scored 45.7 percent of the Bucks' scoring punch.

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1996-1997

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Under new coach Chris Ford, the Bucks appeared to be on their way, breaking out of the gate with a 15-11 start, including wins over Seattle and Houston. Although they couldn't maintain that momentum, they continued to develop their frontcourt tandem of Vin Baker and Glenn Robinson and added an outside threat, Allen, to complement their inside game.

Baker, who averaged 21.0 ppg and 10.3 rpg, made the All-Star time for the third straight season, and became the first Buck since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974-75) to average at least 20 points and 10 rebounds in a season. Robinson finished 13th in the league in scoring (21.1 ppg), as the Bucks were one of only three teams with two players averaging better than 20 points per game

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1997-1998

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Robinson had another big season for the Bucks before an injury to his left leg ended his season in early March. He led the team in scoring at 23.4 points and he improved on defense. The Bucks team captain scored a season-high 42 points at Chicago on January 2 and collected 39 points in a 115-112 overtime win over New York on January 29.

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1998-1999

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And end it did, as Milwaukee went 28-22 in the lockout-shortened season before losing to Indiana in the first round of the playoffs. Glenn Robinson and Ray Allen continued to develop as one of the league's top scoring tandems, averaging 18.4 and 17.1 points per game, respectively.

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1999-2000

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Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson each appeared in his first All-Star Game, giving the Bucks their first All-Star duo since Ricky Pierce and Alvin Robertson in 1991. Allen (22.1 ppg) and Robinson (20.9) carried the Bucks scoring load during the regular season, with an assist – literally – from Sam Cassell, who set a franchise record with 729 ‘dimes’ (9.0 apg) and chipped in a career-best 18.6 ppg. Mo< The Bucks ‘Big Three’ contributed 60.3 percent of the Bucks offensive output (5,008 points), and trailed only the LA Lakers trio of Shaquille O’Neal, Kobe Bryant and Glen Rice (5,101) in total points scored

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2000-2001

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Robinson and Ray Allen again earned all-star honors, and shared the team scoring title with 22.0 ppg. Allen, who averaged career-best 5.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists, was voted to the All-NBA Third Team.

Milwaukee played its best against the best, accruing an 8-0 record against the top four teams in the Western Conference.

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2001-2002

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Among the team’s top five scorers, a total of 56 games were missed because of injury, far exceeding the 22 games missed by the team’s top five scorers in the two previous seasons.

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[Diesel]

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With Houston wanting to win now, Rice's continual injury problems and decline

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This is not a good trade for Atlanta.  We give up a healthy player who puts up 21 ppg for a guy who is as you starting Continuously injured and ON the Decline... And you call it good?


Do you know how Big Dog became a 2 time allstar who average 20/7 with a FG% of higher than 46%?

It was because he had a good PG.

[KB21]

Who?

It certainly wasn't Sam Cassell, who the Bucks have been trying to deal but have had not any takers.  Cassell is the reason the Bucks will take Kirk Hinrich in the draft.  They need a point guard because Cassell is as selfish as Glenn is.  I'm honestly shocked that George Karl and Terry Stotts were able to get those two, along with Ray Allen, to play well together for even half a season.  And it was only a half a season that they played well together.

Please.  Your attempts to blame everyone of Glenn's shortcomings on Jason Terry is getting very old, very quick!

The fact that Glenn shoots too much is not Jason Terry's fault.  The fact that Glenn has let his athletic talents waste while never working on his ball handling is not Jason Terry's fault.  The fact that Glenn doesn't exert himself defensively is not Jason Terry's fault.