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[cyman3]

"but I blinked and missed it. talk about missing out on a one time opportunity..."

- LOL... yea, u missed out.  U never know when hes gonna do that.

[Diesel]

You said it was one season but it was actually three seasons.

2 of Which, Big Dog was an allstar.  Voted on by the coaches of this league to be in the allstar game.

What was it?

You say that Cassell was NOT a good PG.  You say that Cassell was Selfish.


So let's use some Logic here.

Cassell has 2 championship Rings.
Has never played on a Losing team.
Was the PG for Big Dog when Big Dog averaged 21/7 and shot 46-as has as 48% from the field...

and you say that Big Dog's success has nothing to do with Cassell.

OK.  Let's believe that for a second.

Why would Big Dog go from being a 21/7 shooting 46=48% FG% player to being a 21/7 shooting 43%.  

Wouldn't you say it was Shot Selection?

Do you think PG has nothing to do with Shot Selection and Game flow?

Do you think that Big Dog just all the sudden became turnover prone and a bad offensive player.

OR

Will you do the comparison?  

Big Dog with Cassell and Brandon... Vs. Big Dog with JT?


Even Sherman Douglass knows how to run an offense better than JT.

[KB21]

You're living in your own little world, and you just aren't going to listen to anyone other than yourself.

If Cassell is such a [censored] good point guard, then why was he moved to shooting guard when the Bucks got Gary Payton?  Why is it that the Bucks have been trying to deal him for the last two years?  Why have the Bucks been looking at point guards in the draft?

Oh, it's because Cassell is a good point guard.  Yeah.

BTW, Cassell wasn't playing point guard when Houston won those championships.

[MoonKnight]

is a deal most hawks fans (primarily those who watched games last year) would jump at.  It allows us to clear our cap space a year earlier and gives us a potential future starter at the 3 with the skills we really need.  Yes Rice can be a problem,but after his recent years of injuries just how demanding can he be?   If we make this deal and then keep our 1st round pick and select Hayes.......I would very very happy.  You are simply going to have a hard time improving GRob's stock with informed ATL fans,  especially by bashing JT, others.

[Diesel]

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ou're living in your own little world, and you just aren't going to listen to anyone other than yourself.

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Maybe... I'm not listening to all the JT fans that Innodate this Board?

Around the League....
http://www.sportingn...y/20030610.html

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The Hawks are stuck with a poorly constructed roster, too, featuring a shooting guard (Jason Terry) at the point, an underachiever (Shareef Abdur-Rahim) at power forward and a black hole at small forward (Glenn Robinson).

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http://proxy.espn.go...N?event_id=3652

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Dion (Providence): Good afternoon, Chad. Do you think that there will be a decent PG, international or otherwise, when the Hawks are on the board?
Chad Ford: What about Boris Diaw -- he's like a 6-9 point guard in a small forwards body. That would take care of most of the size issues. I agree that point guard is the focal point, but Diaw or Croatia's Zoran Planinic are the only guys with enough size to play alongside Jason Terry.

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http://proxy.espn.go...N?event_id=3504

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D'Anta (Atlanta): Down here in Atlanta alot of talk of Big Dog being ship because of defense and turnovers. I think Big Dog is an important piece of the puzzle that can get this team back to the playoffs. Do you think we needs to get more quality bench players like an Sacremento, Dallas, and Detroit to get back to the playoffs.
David Aldridge: Without being repetitive, I think the Hawks need a point in the worst way. Not that Terry didn't try hard, but he's a natural two. And they need Ratliff to stay healthy.

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So, KB... Is it just me?  Or when will you and others who may think like you open your eyes and realize that 48% shooters don't turn into 43% shooters overnight?  JT is a SG.  I have been singing this for 4 years now.  He's not getting much better at running an offense.  I have presented to you three basketball Experts view of the Hawks.  When Asked directly if the Hawks needs to ship Big Dog out, David Alridge says.... "THE HAWKS NEED A PG IN THE WORST WAY."  What more do you need to see the problem Trace?

I believe that Chemistry wise we have a lot of problems on this team... BUT most of our offensive failures would be cleared up with Better PG play.  AGAIN, if you trade JT for Lowly Andre' Miller, I guarantee that we'd be in the playoffs.

However, you can continue missing the problem.  And Big Dog can go elsewhere... Just like Toni.  Just like JJ.  Just like every other player who couldn't function well with a dysfunctional PG.  Or we can try to get a real PG in here and put JT at SG which seems to be the plan...

[KB21]

It's a bunch of baseless innuendo by people who haven't even seen the Hawks play enough to formulate a good opinion.

As long as Big Dog is in the line up, you are going to struggle to have a good defensive team, and you are going to struggle to have an offense that moves the ball around and creates mismatches.

But somehow, getting a point guard is going to magically make Big Dog a better defender and more of a team player offensively.

Might as well trade SAR while we are at it and just build the whole [censored] team around Big Dog.

[Diesel]

First off,   I watched my share of Hawks games and I can tell you that (like I said all season) PG is a huge problem for our offense.  Chemistry wise it was killing us all year because JT doesn't know how to run an offense.  Passing to SAR on the perimeter and failing to get him the ball in the post?  Using Big Dog as a Point Forward.  Not being able to run the fast break.   All problems that JT has.  Couldn't find a cutter.  [censored], some of the times, he'd crack under token pressure.  What did you think of Mike Wilks?  Did you think we played better with him on the squad?  I did.  I think that it's a shame that a rookie PG can come in and outplay a 4 year PG?

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s long as Big Dog is in the line up, you are going to struggle to have a good defensive team, and you are going to struggle to have an offense that moves the ball around and creates mismatches.

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Whoever said that Big Dog was a good defensive player?  That's the same lame argument you always try to use against Big Dog.  Well, I'm telling you again, it's invalid.  We knew what kind of player Big Dog was coming in.  We knew he lacked lateral Movement.  We Knew he wasn't a great defensive player.  IN fact, we called it a Wash between him and Toni and said, we'd take his consistent play over Toni's 20 games per season.  But to say that you are going to struggle to have an offense that moves the ball around is not true.  Check out Milwaukee three seasons ago.  Same Big dog.  Same Selfish Cassell (as you said).  BUT they had 3 20 point players.  They played very well and were one shot away from the finals.  If lack of ball movement gets you that far, then we need some of that.

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But somehow, getting a point guard is going to magically make Big Dog a better defender and more of a team player offensively.

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I don't think you can find a place on this board or any board where somebody says that a PG will help Dog's defense.  What was said and you need to understand this is that we are a team built to OUTSCORE.  Don't let Theo fool you.  Theo is just a token.  Our team consists of Big Dog/SAR/JT.  These are three of the worst Positional defenders starting in this league.  The only way we could get worst is Rice, Walker, and ???   But Offensively, if we learned to get run the offense that we have, there's no way that many of the teams out here could play with us.

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ight as well trade SAR while we are at it and just build the whole [censored] team around Big Dog.

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That's much better than what I have heard from you.  Think about what you're saying... Trade Big dog for Rice?  Come on.  Rice absolutely Sucks.  Big Dog only has 2 years on his contract.  Next year, his trade value will rise again.  But until midseason of this year he's our unless we want to enter into something stupid that gets us nothing of value in return.   As far as trading SAR, it's a thought.  [censored], he's making 13.5 milliion this year.  If we can trade him for equal value at a lower price, why not?  Hill/Gooden/#15.

[Traceman]

was our only problem or even our biggest problem either!

I don't think the vast majority of people outside of Atlanta see Dog as the biggest problem on this team.  I think the overwhelming majority of people think JT is a SG and we need a PG.  I don't think we need a PG but I DO think we need a 2nd ballhandler in the backcourt and I think that was our biggest problem last year.

Personally, I think that our good record to end the season is misleading people just like it misled people the year before under Lon when we finished 19-17.  I'm not falling for that same trick again.  I think this team needs to address the backcourt problem that we have had since Smitty and Mookie left and I think we need more interior size and toughness.