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#1 jerrywest

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 10:31 AM

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#2 Hotlanta1981

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 11:13 AM

This guy thinks a little to highly of himself I think.

#3 WraithSentinel

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 11:25 AM

Wait until after the season. There is no need to give into his demands. Even if he chooses to leave. Hawks will still be a very attractive place to land a good coach. Basically the entire team is locked up long term.

#4 NJHAWK

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:05 PM

I cant fathom why he hasnt already been extended.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:31 PM

I cant fathom why he hasnt already been extended.


I think Sund is waiting to see how the team performs during the early part of the season. Can you put incentives in coaches contracts? Like how many ISO Joes we run and how many people on the bench he uses.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:33 PM

I cant fathom why he hasnt already been extended.


Because he isn't a good coach.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:41 PM

How bout he'll get his if JJ signs an extension

#8 Johann

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:47 PM

I cant fathom why he hasnt already been extended.


It suddenly strikes me that maybe the owners wanted to can Woody like BK demanded, but Belkin balked to put the heat on Knight.

Maybe Belk is the only thing standing between Woody and the door.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:28 PM

I agree that Sund is likely waiting to see how the first part of the season turns out... and I agree with that philosophy. If the team is underperforming as of January, I would not be the least surprised to see a playoff-tested coach like Jeff Van Gundy assume control.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:31 PM

I agree that Sund is likely waiting to see how the first part of the season turns out... and I agree with that philosophy. If the team is underperforming as of January, I would not be the least surprised to see a playoff-tested coach like Jeff Van Gundy assume control.


I am still not a Woody fan. I still feels that he has to prove himself. I think we should wait and see before giving him an extension.

#11 AnakinJoe

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:59 PM

Would a coach like Jeff Van Gundy, Doug Collins or any other "elite" available coach want a more stable ownership situation? Would they want more than 3 years (Avery Johnson was asking for 4 years from Dumars)? I think it is foolish to assume that elite coaches wouldn't demand more than this ownership group is willing to provide, both in terms of salary, stability and contract duration. So before they let Woody walk, they better know that they can get an upgrade and we're not holding a press conference to welcome PJ Carlesimo or Bob Hill to the Hawks as head coach.

#12 TheNorthCydeRises

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 02:43 PM

Would a coach like Jeff Van Gundy, Doug Collins or any other "elite" available coach want a more stable ownership situation? Would they want more than 3 years (Avery Johnson was asking for 4 years from Dumars)? I think it is foolish to assume that elite coaches wouldn't demand more than this ownership group is willing to provide, both in terms of salary, stability and contract duration. So before they let Woody walk, they better know that they can get an upgrade and we're not holding a press conference to welcome PJ Carlesimo or Bob Hill to the Hawks as head coach.


LOL Anakin. Don't tell them that man.

Have them keep believing that the ASG can and will get any coach they want, if Woody is fired.

That's the mentality us Tennessee Vols fans had when they fired Philip Fulmer. We fire Phil, with the fans thinking we could hire or steal away a big name or up-and-coming coach from another good program.

So what do we do?

We go the cheap route, and hire a coach who failed miserably in his ONLY coaching stint . . Lane Kiffin . . a loudmouth punk that the fans either love or hate.

The ASG isn't spending 4 million a year to bring in Avery Johnson or anybody else. If they would, they'd already done it by now.

Woody, on the other hand, may very well accept a 2-year extension worth 5.5 - 6 million RIGHT NOW. But let the Hawks reach the ECF, that price tag goes UPWARD into the 3 year - 10 to 12 million dollar extension range.

If the Hawks get off to a bad start, they'll opt for an assistant coach ( take your pick ), to coach the rest of the year. Then once the season ends, they'll go out and get a guy who they can pay a 3 year - 7 million dollar deal to.

I can see it now . . the fan base trying to spin the hiring of Eddie Jordan or Billy Gillespie as a massive upgrade over Woody.

The fact is that if this team plays to its maximum potential, it's gonna cost even MORE MONEY to retain Woody..

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 03:18 PM

I can see where Woody is coming from actually and am surprised we hadn't heard him complain sooner. I like the way Sund is handling this though..if he is indeed going to wait til the end of the season. Hopefully Sund doesn't give in just because of Woody's improving record. What a joke it would be to go through this teams prime with Woody as coach.

#14 TheTruth

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 03:46 PM

I can see why Woodson is mad, and why he feels he deserves an extension. I do. However, he is looking at his own performance with rose-colored glasses. I have said time and time again that Woodson is nothing more than an average coach AT BEST. He still shows no semblance of employing an offense other than Iso Joe, still uses a too-tight rotation, and doesnt come down on players that need it (Josh Smith). And that is just the beginning. Have we improved win-wise every year with him? Yes. Has Woodson improved enough to warrant keeping him as coach? I don't believe so.

Sund is doing the right thing by waiting to see what the Hawks do this year. Woody, to eliminate one of his patented excuses, finally has a deep bench. They may not be all-stars, but they aren't the Shelden Williams, Royal Iveys, and Estaban Batistas of our past. Woodson has no excuse to not use his bench, cut down on some of the starters' minutes (mainly Joe) and develop Teague as he earns playing time.

However, northcyde (as much as I disagree with his loyalist tendencies to Woody sometimes) makes a good point. If Woody falters and we don't bring him back, we aren't GUARANTEED to get someone better. It takes money , team attractiveness, and persuasion. I have been encouraged lately that the ASG is willing to spend money on its players, but will they spend money on a top notch coach? That remains to be seen.

The bottom line is that 1) Woodson is an average coach. 2) This is a very important year for both Woodson and the team and 3) Our team is moving into its peak years now that our youth is growing up.

If we falter in the playoffs like last year, do we REALLY want Woodson to command the ship with our team entering the most important years in terms of potential?

I, my fellow good men, do not.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 04:04 PM

And for the record, I'm not against Sund waiting to re-sign Woody. It's just like the JJ situation to me. The more successful season we have, the more it'll take to re-sign him. So to avoid that, try to lock him up right now.

But of course, Woody is not JJ. Woody is viewed as highly expendible because of the lack of respect he gets from the fan base.

But no matter how much people dislike this statement, Woody is one of the MAJOR reasons why we're in the position we're in right now.

So if he can get this team to win on the road, and turn Crawford into an efficient player, then he's going to be deserving of a SIGNIFICANT contract upgrade.

That's just reality folks.