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#31 Joker

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:00 PM

I just got word that Steve Nash could be heading to Atlanta but the hold up is Atlanta doesn't want to trade Marvin. The trade would revolve around Marvin, Crawford, Childress(can't come back to Atlanta thanks to rules), Hill, and Nash. We will see what will happen.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:13 PM

Clarify this for me:


I'm not going to kiss your A@@ if that is what you were expecting...lol but yes what I said is how I felt about the original post and his or her comments about excuses. When I say you all, I am referring to this city as a whole....consider it my vent. Not once did I say you or the original poster were not Hawks fans, but the whiny, jaded, attitude is what I am sick of. Its ok to be upset, and post your frustrations, in SOME PART that is what this board is for, but when the word excuses came up, it struck a nerve with me because this city is known by many to be the town of many excuses on why they don't support the Hawks THE WAY THEY SHOULD. This brings me back to my "Red Headed Step Child" theory, Baseball, and Football are Atlanta's darlings WIN OR LOSE granted the Falcons are doing wonderful now, when was the last time they did anything 98? Still no hardware, but the city, the Atlanta media, and fans still supported them, through thick and thin with their wallets wide open, but you don't hear their fans talking about what happened umpteen years ago, playoff tickets sold out in the first 5 minutes.

Now I am not trying to turn this into a football vs. baseball vs. basketball, thread because we know who would win that one but, with as many people that this city has it makes no sense to me.

Edited by CODHAWKSFAN, 03 January 2011 - 08:15 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:17 PM

I'm not going to kiss your A@@ if that is what you were expecting...lol but yes what I said is how I felt about the original post and his or her comments about excuses. When I say you all, I am referring to this city as a whole....consider it my vent. Not once did I say you or the original poster were not Hawks fans, but the whiny, jaded, attitude is what I am sick of. Its ok to be upset, and post your frustrations, in SOME PART that is what this board is for, but when the word excuses came up, it struck a nerve with me because this city is known by many to be the town of many excuses on why they don't support the Hawks THE WAY THEY SHOULD. This brings me back to my "Red Headed Step Child" theory, Baseball, and Football are Atlanta's darlings WIN OR LOSE granted the Falcons are doing wonderful now, when was the last time they did anything 98? Still no hardware, but the city, the Atlanta media, and fans still supported them, through thick and thin with their wallets wide open, but you don't hear their fans talking about what happened umpteen years ago, playoff tickets sold out in the first 5 minutes.

Now I am not trying to turn this into a football vs. baseball vs. basketball, thread because we know who would win that one but, with as many people that this city has it makes no sense to me.


Don't be shy about it. When you say "you all" you are directing your post at everyone who has something negative to say about the team. Else, you'd be standing in the middle of Atlanta or in a bar somewhere berating the people who actually DON'T support the team.

You all...whine too much about a team that is winning and on pace to win 45+ games.
You all...do not support a team that is winning. Even after a game won, on the road, in a comeback situation.
You all...want change for the sake of change (despite the fact that this essentially is business as usual for champions and non-champions in the NBA)
You all...post useless threads and opinions about trading part of our core, when we can get nothing equal or better in return.
You all...do not appreciate a club full of very good players (Josh Smith and Al Horford who are the best players on this team that YOU feel can beat anybody).
You all...do not support this team.

That is what you implied, that is what you meant, and that is what you said in so many words, and I responded to every point you made. We have a right to complain about this team because we have followed the team. All of us...since day one of the rebuilding, most of us long before that. NOBODY has a right to make excuses for a franchise that IN 40 YEARS hasn't put a club on the floor that cannot get out of the 2nd round. THAT is the reason why "nobody" supports the club. We don't have a thrilling conference finals appearance like Sacramento. No Finals appearance like Dallas. No history like LA and Boston. No Voltron, ECFs, or championship ring like Miami. No Ewing or finals or championships like NY. No finals appearances or Barkely's, Julius Ervings, or AI's like Philly. We don't have a Kevin Durant or John Wall. There is no HISTORY here. We haven't made any...except disappointing, uninspiring, playoff whooping after playoff whooping. Not in the history of the club in Atlanta. The closest we got was Nique and we dumped his *ss in the middle of our best season ever. It's not a vent. It's the damn truth.

What we have is a history of what we have now...good but not good enough and NO face that can rally the town. THAT is why nobody gives a damn about the team.

No I do not want your asskissing or any sort of appreciation or acknoweldgement...because I don't operate like that and because you are wrong. You are wrong in your assumptions. You are wrong in your approach. And you are wrong if you think this team is any closer to getting out of the 2nd round than any team we have had in the last 25 or so years. But that is my opinion...you are free to express yours too. That's what this board is for.

(...by the way, you do know that the guy who is coaching this team...y'know...the guy who is directing the collective fate of 12 or so of the best basketball players in the world...he wants change too. You do know that, right? Go tell Drew that we're fine and change isn't in order.)

Oddly enough...you remind me of EDS. A guy that in 2004, chased me down saying that USA basketball players weren't the best in the world and it wouldn't matter if we put our best on the floor. How'd that turn out if you're still out there lurking?

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:18 PM

I just got word that Steve Nash could be heading to Atlanta but the hold up is Atlanta doesn't want to trade Marvin. The trade would revolve around Marvin, Crawford, Childress(can't come back to Atlanta thanks to rules), Hill, and Nash. We will see what will happen.


What is the source of the word you got?

(Also, I am not sure I understand how the trade involves Chills when you say instantly that he can't be traded here. Are you talking about a three-way rumor?)

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:43 PM

I just got word that Steve Nash could be heading to Atlanta but the hold up is Atlanta doesn't want to trade Marvin. The trade would revolve around Marvin, Crawford, Childress(can't come back to Atlanta thanks to rules), Hill, and Nash. We will see what will happen.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:46 PM

I just got word that Steve Nash could be heading to Atlanta but the hold up is Atlanta doesn't want to trade Marvin. The trade would revolve around Marvin, Crawford, Childress(can't come back to Atlanta thanks to rules), Hill, and Nash. We will see what will happen.


I need some sources or something. Forget Marv you get this done. Grant Hill looks younger/better than Marv this year anyway.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:07 PM

I love the 'bad fans' meme and the arguments that result, especially arguing with media types who cover the team, and even work for the team. Twitter's made that pretty easy.

To put it simply: I believe that anyone who says the Atlanta Hawks have "bad fans" has missed the point. To simply say that the Atlanta Hawks have "bad fans" is ignorant, insulting and lazy.

The truth is this: the Atlanta Hawks don't have enough fans. And creating new fans from non-fans lies squarely upon the shoulders of those who manage the team, those who cover it, and those who set foot on the court. The fans the Atlanta Hawks have are great. Some are hilariously delusional (Diesel), some are explicit and lawyerly in their vigor for debating the team (AHF), and some are grizzled veterans who serve as an example to us all (Graymule.) (Some are smarmy and sarcastic (drzachary.)) But we are all great, great fans, and, since we're the ones who care, we're the only ones who will ever hear or read the "Hawks have bad fans" meme. So to those saying and writing it:

Shut it. You can't block my shine.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:15 PM

I just got word that Steve Nash could be heading to Atlanta but the hold up is Atlanta doesn't want to trade Marvin. The trade would revolve around Marvin, Crawford, Childress(can't come back to Atlanta thanks to rules), Hill, and Nash. We will see what will happen.

What's the point ? You only bring frustration

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:18 PM

@wretch,
I see what kind of poster you are and seen many like you (from this conversation anyway). You are picking little bits and pieces from what I say, flipping them then turning them into a personal attack. Answer this specifically and don't try to change the subject and come back with a rally comment like "you are not attacking me you are attacking all of us Hawks fans that have supported this team for years": Pay attention, did you honestly thoroughly read my comments?? Because this is twice now that you are trying use words that I did not type to prove your point. Look back at my original comment, I clearly said YES THIS TEAM NEEDS A TRADE, meaning that I am not happy or content with what we have either. I just simply don't think that Josh or Al should be included in those discussions unless it is for a big name or high caliber player, and a trade should be made to improve your team not just for trade. GET IT PLEASE

After you answer that please answer this. Yes you are right the Atlanta Hawks have not made it past the second round, I will give you that but, do you honestly believe that the Atlanta Hawks have no history/iconic players? Come on man you have been a Hawks fan for a long time, you know better. Lets try Lenny Wilkens, Lou Hudson, Mutombo? You don't remember the finger? How about this.... does a guy named Dominique Wilkens ring a bell or did you forget about him too? I know you mentioned him but he is not just a Hawks legend, he is a NBA LEGEND, ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS!

And lastly you say that I am wrong, wrong in my assumptions, wrong in my approach...I lol'ed at that one. What or how am I wrong by voicing my opinion on what I feel is an excuse? Especially when:
1.) You APPROACHED my comments and ASSUMED that I am attacking you and your loyalty to the Hawks
2.) You ASSUME that I am content with the way this team is, (even though I clearly stated that this team needs a trade).
3.) You ASSUMED that I know little about this teams history.

Now you tell me who is doing the wrong assuming and approaching?

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:37 PM

I love the 'bad fans' meme and the arguments that result, especially arguing with media types who cover the team, and even work for the team. Twitter's made that pretty easy.

To put it simply: I believe that anyone who says the Atlanta Hawks have "bad fans" has missed the point. To simply say that the Atlanta Hawks have "bad fans" is ignorant, insulting and lazy.

The truth is this: the Atlanta Hawks don't have enough fans. And creating new fans from non-fans lies squarely upon the shoulders of those who manage the team, those who cover it, and those who set foot on the court. The fans the Atlanta Hawks have are great. Some are hilariously delusional (Diesel), some are explicit and lawyerly in their vigor for debating the team (AHF), and some are grizzled veterans who serve as an example to us all (Graymule.) (Some are smarmy and sarcastic (drzachary.)) But we are all great, great fans, and, since we're the ones who care, we're the only ones who will ever hear or read the "Hawks have bad fans" meme. So to those saying and writing it:

Shut it. You can't block my shine.



Easily the best post of the evening, this makes some sense, although I do not think that everyone that considers themselves a "Hawks fan" great. but for the most part yes Atlanta needs more b ball fans.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:47 PM

What is the source of the word you got?

(Also, I am not sure I understand how the trade involves Chills when you say instantly that he can't be traded here. Are you talking about a three-way rumor?)

From a buddy in the league office. The same one I usually speak to. The one that told me about Jamal C. talk of getting traded to Atlanta a week before it happened, Amare potential trade to Atlanta, and CP3 and Melo will be on the market which both were for a little bit. The same one I normally get my info from. He send me a text about a potential trade but there are things holding it up from our end. Also a 3rd team is suppose to be involved. He thinks it is the Squrs but could be another team. But he said they had talks and met to discuss face to face in New York but nothing is official at this point. He said Atlanta really values Marvin a lot. They want a lot for Marvin and Smoove is untouchable but he said that last time we spoke on the phone. Phoenix wants to rebuild as soon as possible and Nash wants out. I asked him about Melo to Atlanta and he said Atlanta not going to trade anyone in their core. He also said CP3 is not on the market for what he knows right now. I was hoping otherwise. He said they want to see what they can do (NOH) in the off season first which is what the media was speculating as well.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:03 PM

What is the source of the word you got?

(Also, I am not sure I understand how the trade involves Chills when you say instantly that he can't be traded here. Are you talking about a three-way rumor?)

It's a could be way larger. It seems like three to four way deal. For Atlanta, it's a three way, I know that much. We are just dealing with Phx and another team. Atlanta would get Nash Hill, and another player from another team which would put them in the LT for 2011-12. I hope the other player is a center, even if they are just average. Atlanta would trade Marvin and Crawford which Atlanta been asking a mansion for. Especially Crawford. They want to keep Marvin from what he was texting. Teague, Smith, Joe, and Horford are untouchable from what he's hearing.
I don't understand what he meant. He said we traded him so we can't trade for him in the season. It wasn't something I asked for him to go into detail with. Someone here who knows the CBA could go into further detail.

Edited by nbasuperstar40, 03 January 2011 - 11:05 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:13 PM

Your friend is right about Childress. The details are boring, so let's keep it simple - Childress would have to go to another team.

We've heard a couple of times now that the Hawks are overvaluing Marvin. It's rather ridiculous for a team worried about the luxury tax.

Edited by mrhonline, 03 January 2011 - 11:15 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:20 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. Hmm where do I start?....ok
1st I don't believe I ever said that anyone on this board was not a "real Hawks fan" where did that come from, paranoia?? PLEASE read my comment again and point out where I said this, and if I said it, then I would gladly apologize.

2nd I will address those who addressed me specifically:

@vol4ever, I have been a fan of the Atlanta Hawks for 9 years will be 10 in March, and while I may not have been around as long as some of you, I do think that I have been around long enough to voice my opinion on this team, city and its fans. Vol4ever you are one of the veterans on this board from what I see and I respect that, but in regards to my comments/opinions on Josh Smith, can you please tell me what you THINK I don't understand? Yes Josh b@$ches and complains to the refs sometimes but the kid is a stud and is one of the most dynamic, athletic, productive,feared (in the paint), popular, players on this team, not to mention he is the home town kid, and you mean to tell me that you want to get rid of him because of his attitude?? Please explain because I would rather have Josh, than a "nice" unproductive player. And how else would you define him having a bad attitude other than his occasional pout on the court (which I havent seen this year)? He is always respectful to the fans, he is able to hold his own NOW when talking to the media, he gives back to the community, he is willing to have fun during commercials (who else on our team does commercials) Josh Smith is our true hometown star, it is beyond me why the team doesn't market him as such around the city. Getting rid of him will be the whole Dominique thing all over again.

@Wretch, dude I understand that you wanted to get some frustration out, and it was a good post to voice your opinion, but if it was directed at me then it was uncalled for. Again I didn't say or doubt how much of a fan that anyone on this site is, all I said was stop whining and pointed out the REAL excuses that are made for people not showing up to games or supporting this team the way they should. Not at you or anyone on this board specifically but the city of Atlanta as a whole. With all due respect IMO I think that you are a little jaded, but I am happy to know that you are still a Hawks fan after all the frustrations throughout the years. Hell I am frustrated too but it is more so directed to the marketing of this team and its players and the occasional lack of effort on the players part. Oh and the JJ contract uhhhh.

@frosgrim, You couldn't be more wrong my friend, I am a very well traveled man who has lived in 3 other cities prior to this one. 15 years in L.A. 4 years in New york 2 in Miami and 9 in Atlanta plus I travel every now and then. LOL whats funny is that the traveling is the reason that I feel the way that I do about this city when it comes to its fan base and the excuses that they make.

@niremetal, thanks for saving me the typing time, with your comment to frosgrim, IMO that is the truth and not another excuse.

Randy and Macdaddy your opinions make sense thanks for the post.

To everyone else on this board, I know that I am new here but please do not mistake my post number for lack of knowledge of this game, this city, or its fans, I am not saying that I know everything but i do know a few things. I am glad to be a member on this board and look forward to future post.


I understand that Josh Smith is a local home town boy. It is my opinion that Josh Smith's attitude is affecting this team. Now I am not a expert, but Josh's shot selection has taken this team out of games this season and seasons past. Josh Smith's talent is not in question, he needs to work on his low post game instead of chucking 3 pointers and long shots, we have shooters. At the end of the day, I think if you asked those in the organization, his attitude is hurting the team. Just my .02.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:21 PM

"Pay attention, did you honestly thoroughly read my comments?? Because this is twice now that you are trying use words that I did not type to prove your point. Look back at my original comment"
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