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[MoBetta]

reeballin4, on 02 January 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

We all know he wants out and has been suspended by the Kings. He is a legit center and I've read reports that most offers will be "low-ball" offers. We could offer Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, and draft picks for Cousins. I've seen posts saying trade Josh Smith but IMO he's our most important player. A lineup of Teauge/JJ/Smoove/Horford/Cousins would be scary for other teams. We would have our center of the future and would only be a few pieces away from finally competing in the east.


Teague/Pargo
JJ/Green
Smoove/Tmac
Horford/Vlad
Cousins/Zaza


Trading Hinrich would also free up cap space as we could sign players to help our bench. Hopefully, Sund is making phone calls!

Edited by MoBetta, 02 January 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[AHF]

reeballin4, on 02 January 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

We all know he wants out and has been suspended by the Kings. He is a legit center and I've read reports that most offers will be "low-ball" offers. We could offer Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, and draft picks for Cousins. I've seen posts saying trade Josh Smith but IMO he's our most important player. A lineup of Teauge/JJ/Smoove/Horford/Cousins would be scary for other teams. We would have our center of the future and would only be a few pieces away from finally competing in the east.


Teague/Pargo
JJ/Green
Smoove/Tmac
Horford/Vlad
Cousins/Zaza


Trading Hinrich would also free up cap space as we could sign players to help our bench. Hopefully, Sund is making phone calls!

In addition to the fact that you have them taking on about 17M in salary and giving up 4M which is not allowed under the CBA, this is just bad value for Sacramento.  Kirk will never play a meaningful minute for them and why would they want to pay his salary this season; Marvin is not desirable (remember people speculating whether it was worth it to pay him $24M to play somewhere else during the amnesty discussions?); and better picks are available.

IMO, to get Cousins the Hawks would have to give up Teague, JJ, Smith or Horford.  (I am not advocating all of those, BTW).

[DJlaysitup]

Cousins would likely be very happy to come to a playoff team in Atlanta.  Being from Alabama and having played at UK he would probably be much happier here than in Sacremento.  Heck, that might even help with some of his "attitude" problems.

So - could we make the deal?  I would say yes.  Can we make the deal with Marvin as the centerpiece?  I would say probably not.

It is VERY intriguing though...and you don't get that many chances at a real, competitive sized center without being LA, Boston, (or the like) or tanking and getting lucky on the ping-pong balls.

Edited by DJlaysitup, 02 January 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[tonegully]

Cousins is trash. Sac can keep that crazy dude. Man yall jump at the chance to get anyone over 6'9 smh.

[hawkman]

AHF, on 02 January 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

In addition to the fact that you have them taking on about 17M in salary and giving up 4M which is not allowed under the CBA, this is just bad value for Sacramento.  Kirk will never play a meaningful minute for them and why would they want to pay his salary this season; Marvin is not desirable (remember people speculating whether it was worth it to pay him $24M to play somewhere else during the amnesty discussions?); and better picks are available.

IMO, to get Cousins the Hawks would have to give up Teague, JJ, Smith or Horford.  (I am not advocating all of those, BTW).

If that is indeed the case, Sacto can keep him then. He's an intriguing prospect on paper, but his scuffles with teammates and general personality issues hurt his trade value IMHO. I actually think an improved Marv and a serviceable PG in Hinrich would give the Kings two high value players at positions of need in exchange for a disgruntled player.

[AHF]

hawkman, on 02 January 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

If that is indeed the case, Sacto can keep him then. He's an intriguing prospect on paper, but his scuffles with teammates and general personality issues hurt his trade value IMHO. I actually think an improved Marv and a serviceable PG in Hinrich would give the Kings two high value players at positions of need in exchange for a disgruntled player.

Sacramento already has its backcourt of Tyreke Evans (age 22) and Marcus Thornton (age 24) with 2011 lottery pick Jimmer (age 22) backing them up.  What possible incentive do they have to illegally take on massive salary and play their young 20's guards less so they can do less development in favor of a guy who won't be there when the next season starts?  

Marv has to prove it before he has trade value.  In terms of advanced stats, he is playing twice as well as any previous season in his career so I doubt his start is sustainable (although improvement could certainly be sustainable).

I just don't see a match without us giving up real value given that the trade from earlier is illegal (we would have to take back a lot more salary) and we aren't offering much of long-term value (winning games this season doesn't do much for the Kings except worsen their draft position and doing it at the expense of developing young players is a double hit).

[MoBetta]

Alrite drop it they aren't trading him. The sac town owners say they aren't.

sigh

Edited by MoBetta, 02 January 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[DJlaysitup]

MoBetta, on 02 January 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Alright drop it they aren't trading him. The sac town owners say they aren't.

sigh

Good point...and that settles it.......I've never known owners to lie

[CongoP]

I heard he demanded a trade I'd rather have him then J-Smoove what do yall think?

[DJlaysitup]

too late to the party - but Hi  - got any beer?

Seriously - this is a good point but it's already on the board.

[CongoP]

Haha the beer made me do it heard the sportscaster say "He was asked to stay home from tonight's game due to demanding a trade" and thought about how well he and Al would be as a tandem

[b3bawla]

Try this one out guys

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vxl8j2

ATL gives: Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams, unprotected 2012 1st rd pick, 2011 2nd round pick from PHX, unprotected 2013 1st rd pick
ATL gets: Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu

ORL gives: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, 2013 2nd rd pick
ORL gets: Demarcus Cousins, Kirk Hinrich, J.J. Hickson, ATL unprotected 2012 1st rd pick, ATL 2011 2nd round pick from PHX, SAC protected 2012 1st rd pick, ATL unprotected 2013 1st rd pick,

SAC gives: DeMarcus Cousins, J.J. Hickson, protected 2012 1st rd pick
SAC gets: Josh Smith and Marvin Williams

Trade Logic

ORL- They have to trade Dwight but get a 21 year old double double machine in Cousins. The deal is sweetened by ATL taking Turkoglu's contract and receiving the expiring contract of Kirk Hinrich. Orlando also receives three 1st round picks and a good 2nd rounder plus a still young J.J. Hickson (who was a hot commodity a few years back). Not a bad haul for Orlando.

SAC- Sacramento is in a tough situation because they have a disgruntled head case. The head case part lowers Cousin's stock (because 21 year old bigs with HUGE upside are hard to come by...see DeAndre Jordan). But they make out pretty good in this deal. They bring in Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, two forwards who play well together and two guys who would be starters on their current roster. Obviously the big draw is Smith, who is under contract for 2 years. This move would certainly net Sacto a few more wins in the short term, which, considering their difficult situation, isn't too bad.

ATL-We get D12 and Hedo (who plays well with Howard) while keeping Horford and Teague. Marvin's recent brilliance gets turned into a franchise changing trade and we sacrifice our future for the present. But oh what a present!!!! Teague, JJ, Horford and D12 work together well with Hedo for a starting five. That team can shoot from anywhere, post up, get to the line, rebound and defend. And our solid bench remains intact. This team even makes sense in terms of health. The only starter that has missed substantial time is Hedo. We have McGrady and Stack to step up in a pinch. And even if they were to be injured, small forward may be the easiest position to fill in the NBA. Also we keep our 2nd rounder for 2012 and 2013 (to fill our roster with cheap talent).

Lineups

ORL
Cousins/Orton
Anderson/Davis/Hickson
Q. Richardson/Clark
J. Richardson/Reddick/Wafer
Nelson/Duhon/Hinrich

* ORL probably continues firesale by trading Nelson or Duhon to a title contender down the stretch
** This trade makes most sense if the do it early so they can get better picks in this draft (a very deep crop)

SAC
Hayes/Thompson/Whiteside
Smith/Greene
Williams/Salmons/Outlaw
Thornton/Garcia
Evans/Fredette/Thomas

ATL
Howard/Pachulia/Collins
Horford/I.Johnson
Turkoglu/McGrady/Stackhouse
J. Johnson/Green
Teague/Pargo/Sloan

I gave lots of details but don't get too bogged down by them. I think something like this could work. Get 'er done Sund!

[DrReality]

GameTime, on 01 January 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

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Edited by DrReality, 03 January 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[AHF]

b3bawla, on 03 January 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

ATL gives: Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams, unprotected 2012 1st rd pick, 2011 2nd round pick from PHX, unprotected 2013 1st rd pick

CBA issue.