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[sultanofatl]

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Wouldn’t this be fun? If Al Horford returns from injury, Atlanta would suddenly be loaded and versatile on the front line, able to go big or small without sacrificing offense (i.e., without playing Jason Collins). The Hawks played Chicago to a competitive six-game series last season. The Bulls are better this season, but a Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Horford/Kaman/Jeff Teague core could make Miami or Chicago work a bit, providing some entertainment before the inevitable conference finals clash. Toss in an injury, and who knows what might happen?
Alas, there are huge obstacles. The tax-phobic Hawks are right at the threshold now, meaning they’d have to send out just about 100 percent of Kaman’s salary, or more, in order to avoid moving up too far to duck back under via waiving players on non-guaranteed deals. That would mean including Marvin Williams and/or Kirk Hinrich (on an expiring contract) in any Kaman deal, and though Williams is playing better than ever, it’s hard to see how either has much value to the Hornets. A third team might be necessary.

[frankthetank966]

Deal Kirk, his contract makes him ideal for a Kaman deal. Additonally, Kirk has been on this team for a while and hasn't shown any signs of being a huge commodity. We could continue using Pargo.

[frosgrim]

Yeah, I was thinking it would be nice to get Kaman, but there really isn't much for us to give the Hornets. That is, there has to be at least one better deal that MW24 for Kaman out there.

[frankthetank966]

frosgrim, on 30 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Yeah, I was thinking it would be nice to get Kaman, but there really isn't much for us to give the Hornets. That is, there has to be at least one better deal that MW24 for Kaman out there.

We need to keep Marvin, unless we would get a SF. We have a couple of PG's so Kirk isn't as valuable as Marvin. Kirk, 2nd rounder, and maybe Zaza?

[capstone21]

frankthetank966, on 30 January 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Deal Kirk, his contract makes him ideal for a Kaman deal. Additonally, Kirk has been on this team for a while and hasn't shown any signs of being a huge commodity. We could continue using Pargo.

Kirk has been a major step up to Pargo...his defense...his BBIQ ... passing

[frosgrim]

frankthetank966, on 30 January 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

We need to keep Marvin, unless we would get a SF. We have a couple of PG's so Kirk isn't as valuable as Marvin. Kirk, 2nd rounder, and maybe Zaza?

My main point, is that I don't think the Hawks have the ammo to get Kaman vs. what else the Hornets could be offered. Kirk really isn't more than an expiring for them. We'd probably have to give up a first.

[frankthetank966]

capstone21, on 30 January 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kirk has been a major step up to Pargo...his defense...his BBIQ ... passing

True, but if we were able to get Kaman who would immediately become our starting  Center, that would be worth dealing Kirk. We cannot run with JCo anymore, his offense is terrible.

[T21]

Kaman still has something left in his tank... I wouldn't mind getting him, especially under our current set of circumstances.
NO will probably be a tough bargain... I would start with Kirk... and then offer Collins and 2nd round draft pick (they said they would like to receive another big in return)...

[sultanofatl]

Let's be honest Kazan is not a game changer.  Unless we get significant cap space he isn't worth the trouble.

[Peoriabird]

sultanofatl, on 30 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Let's be honest Kazan is not a game changer.  Unless we get significant cap space he isn't worth the trouble.

Thank you!

[T21]

sultanofatl, on 30 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Let's be honest Kazan is not a game changer.  Unless we get significant cap space he isn't worth the trouble.

Given the right situation (contender), I believe that motivated Kaman can still produce above average numbers, plus so much needed low-post game... only if the price is right!

[JayBirdHawk]

N.O. is looking for an expiring contract, a young player, and a 1st round draft pick this year.  The asking price is entirely too much.

[Jody23]

sultanofatl, on 30 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Let's be honest Kazan is not a game changer.  Unless we get significant cap space he isn't worth the trouble.

Despite the injury bug, we're talking about a guy who has actually been an all-star and is a legitimate seven footer, not an undersized tweener.  He indeed is a game changer to anyone who gets him.  This game is won and lost in the paint come playoff time, not with jumpshots.

[T21]

JayBirdHawk, on 30 January 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

N.O. is looking for an expiring contract, a young player, and a 1st round draft pick this year.  The asking price is entirely too much.

If that's correct, it's way too much... anyway, we should stay on alert because there aren't many bigs out there that could truly help us at this point...

[AHawks89]

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