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[Diesel]

I know.. I know... look at the competition.

However, many of us thought that this team would collapse without Horf.  That the 2 time allstar was everything.  Horf has been replaced by Zaza and we are 9 and freakin 2 without him. If we make it through this hard Feb schedule with a winning record... We really have to start re-evaluating some things.

[nbasuperstar40]

Before you go any further, don't turn this into a BS trade thread.

The Hawks have been playing great team defense in part to Josh, Jeff, and JJ.

[CWebb]

I'm neither a Horford fan, neither a hater, but I've always thought  all the love he was getting from the media was crazy

[MaceCase]

Yes, part of that re-evaluation should include that MARVIN is untouchable.  Heh heh heh, how bout them apples.

[Randy]

To be fair, isn't it really 9-3, since he didn't play all of the Indy game, which we lost.  (I thought he went down in the first half.)

[terrell]

CWebb, on 01 February 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

I'm neither a Horford fan, neither a hater, but I've always thought  all the love he was getting from the media was crazy

Agreed. He's a good player, but nothing special imo. Btw, When was the last time we went 4-1 on the road with Al? You got it.  Never. I'm beginning to think they like playing without him. Josh and Joe looked as focused as I've ever seen them.. Probably tired of all his whining about playing center, And reading about his father complaing and what not. And its not like we're missing his jumpshots and fadeways. Hell, Pachulia doesnt even need touches. Just rebound, play hard, and make em pay, when they come in the lane. If Al would do that, we'd be scary. But for some reason, the "Boss" has turned into a softy.

MaceCase, on 01 February 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

Yes, part of that re-evaluation should include that MARVIN is untouchable.  Heh heh heh, how bout them apples.

I'm trying to figure out if you're serious or joking?

[Nicholasp27]

Randy, on 01 February 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

To be fair, isn't it really 9-3, since he didn't play all of the Indy game, which we lost.  (I thought he went down in the first half.)

Yes
Horf played 6 mins and went down halfway through first quarter

Indy loss may not have happened if horf didn't get injured...he has historically owned that matchup

[MaceCase]

terrell, on 01 February 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

I'm trying to figure out if you're serious or joking?

No, I'm not joking at all.  People want to give credit to Zaza replacing Al but no mention of Marv playing as good as or better than Joe and Josh?  Please, if you're going to re-evaluate Al's importance over this stretch then you had damn better re-evaluate Marvin's importance.  Can't play these "player x is worth this" games the way you want and ignore the way it's actually being played.

[Sothron]

It is remarkable we have a record this good without him but it also has to be pointed out who we have played in that stretch. The only way I'd move Al is for a true franchise center or a franchise point guard.

[NineOhTheRino]

Al's a good player, but...

It’s funny how the team plays better ball without their "heart and soul" Horford.  Kind of reminds me of how the Falcons won more games after dumping the great pile jumper Kieth Brooking.

I don't blame message board people for overrating Al's importance.  How can anyone judge him fairly when the media is always telling us how great he is?  Again he’s a good player but he does not control whether this team sink or swim.

One thing I've learned is that the Atlanta media plays favorite!  If they like the way a guy presents himself then they deem him the quintessential leader (heart and soul) of a team, but what's the truth?.

Truth is Teague and this bench (esp. Zaza) far outweighs anything the hawks could get from Horford.  The local media has no clue since they don’t watch the games.  They don’t know jack about T-Mac, Willie Green, Radman, and Ivan.  This is a good TEAM and one player does not determine their fate!

Edited by NineOhTheRino, 01 February 2012 - 10:00 AM.

[Peoriabird]

MaceCase, on 01 February 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

No, I'm not joking at all.  People want to give credit to Zaza replacing Al but no mention of Marv playing as good as or better than Joe and Josh?  Please, if you're going to re-evaluate Al's importance over this stretch then you had damn better re-evaluate Marvin's importance.  Can't play these "player x is worth this" games the way you want and ignore the way it's actually being played.

These guys can't do it!

nbasuperstar40, on 01 February 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

Before you go any further, don't turn this into a BS trade thread.

The Hawks have been playing great team defense in part to Josh, Jeff, and JJ.

Here is the evidence!  No mention of Marvin's defense and clutch 3point shooting!

[NineOhTheRino]

Peoriabird, on 01 February 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

These guys can't do it! Here is the evidence! No mention of Marvin's defense and clutch 3point shooting!

Think it's a coincidence that as Teague improves so does Marvin?

[Sothron]

NineOhTheRino, on 01 February 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

Al's a good player, but...

It’s funny how the team plays better ball without their "heart and soul" Horford.  Kind of reminds me of how the Falcons won more games after dumping the great pile jumper Kieth Brooking.

I don't blame message board people for overrating Al's importance.  How can anyone judge him fairly when the media is always telling us how great he is?  Again he’s a good player but he does not control whether this team sink or swim.

One thing I've learned is that the Atlanta media plays favorite!  If they like the way a guy presents himself then they deem him the quintessential leader (heart and soul) of a team, but what's the truth?.

Truth is Teague and this bench (esp. Zaza) far outweighs anything the hawks could get from Horford.  The local media has no clue since they don’t watch the games.  They don’t know jack about T-Mac, Willie Green, Radman, and Ivan.  This is a good TEAM and one player does not determine their fate!

Laughable point about Keith Brooking. Guy is a Ring of Honor nominee in the waiting and was terrific for the Falcons. He played an entire season with a broken back and didn't complain at all about moving from one position to another even though it cost him Pro Bowls and a possible Hall of Fame career. Give me a team of "pile jumpers" like that any day of the week, twice on Sundays.

You seem to have some kind of homer goggles on about Teague. Yes, he's playing ok. That's about it. Ok. This team is winning because of Joe, Josh and the bench play. Teague isn't killing us but saying he's the reason we're winning while in your other posts you are clearly not giving Joe any credit is simply absurd.

[MaceCase]

NineOhTheRino, on 01 February 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Think it's a coincidence that as Teague improves so does Marvin?

Teague hasn't done much more than he did in the Chicago series and yet Marvin......has performed leapyears ahead of where he was in that series.  I don't see the two being connected because Josh has stagnated and Joe has only returned to preinjury form.  Doesn't really make sense that he's improving one guy to career bests while the others remain constant.

[Peoriabird]

MaceCase, on 01 February 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Teague hasn't done much more than he did in the Chicago series and yet Marvin......has performed leapyears ahead of where he was in that series.  I don't see the two being connected because Josh has stagnated and Joe has only returned to preinjury form.  Doesn't really make sense that he's improving one guy to career bests while the others remain constant.

He's giving credit to the wrong point guard regarding Marvin success.   Teague that should get the credit Marvin's success this year...It should be Nick Van Exel!