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[cyman3]

well said FOCUS...

[Hotlanta1981]

Van Horn is a soft jumpshooter with no speed...Yet, he looks
like MJ when Reef tries to guard him. This"KVH is a very good
offensive player" is a load of crud.

[Playmaker0017]

You are just so basketball ignorant that it your ignorance actually seeps through the internet and makes me dumber for just having read your garbage.

Let me break it down for you, since you don't know thing one about basketball.  

It is a TEAM game.  During the 48+ minute game, we are supposed to play AS A TEAM.  As such, we decided, AS A TEAM, to play a 2-3 Zone.  

Now, I know this is hard for you to fathom --- but when a team is playing "in a zone" then a person is not matched up against anyone.  You don't guard a man, you guard a zone.  Furthermore, when someone leaves "your zone" you are no longer supposed to cover them.  

In addition, you unanalytical douchebag, when we played man-on-man, Reef was matched against Harrington or Kurt Thomas.  

Thus, Van Horn didn't "look" like MJ against Shareef.  Shareef was not on Van Horn except a play or two.  Get over it.

Let me also say, Van Horn is a talented offensive player.  He shoots 45% and gets 17 PPG on 13.5 shots.  Sorry, that is productive on offense.

Play.

[Lascar78]

i dont get your argument

KVH season average:
17 PPG, 7 RPG
KVH Friday night:
18 PTS, 5 REB

so I don't see how reef did such a bad job on him when he got just about exactly what he averages

SAR average:
20,9
SAR friday
25, 6

Seems to me reef won that matchup, don't know why you're focused on it

[Hotlanta1981]

It is a TEAM game. During the 48+ minute game, we are supposed to play AS A TEAM. As such, we decided, AS A TEAM, to play a 2-3 Zone."

Have you even watched a game? The team plays no part
of an organized ball. I sure as well don't see any "Defense"
I often see Hawk players Iso one on one. Maybe the intent
to play a zone....But that's not what happens.

Van Horn is nothing more than a slow footed jump shooter.
That's all he does againest 90% of the teams. And if he
really was any good teams wouldn't be throwing him to
the garbage every year would they? He isn't anything more
than a weaker version of bum Christian Leattner in his prime.

You stupid [censored]..This has nothing to do with how much
Van Horn scores....It has to do with the simple fact you
can't even keep a slow footed jumpshooter out of the
lane. If Allan Houston gets 35 points on his typical shooting you say he's just hot. But if you allow these
jump shooters to get into the lane you aren't doing a
very good job on defense. If Van Horn and Houston are
beating you one on one at the top of the key and getting
to the basket...That's bad defense. If Vince Carter does
it you say "Hey, that's Vince Carter and he's great at
getting to the basket whenever he wants too"

It's you that has no freakin clue. If Van Horn gets his
16PPG on jumpshooting there isn't a problem...But if
you allow him to beat you one on one like he's Vince
Carter you got a problem. Really, it's a fault of the
entire team..

If there is anything that's made you dumber it's watching
these guys try and play zone or whatever. I think the
team has dumbed you down to what really basketball
actually looks like. If Houston and Van Horn are getting
to the hole and having sucess there is a problem.

What does coaches always tell players? Force players
to take long jumpshots and don't let them get into the
lane. Just like other teams try and force Reef to the
outside and score.

Do you get my point or are you just that stupid?

[Playmaker0017]

Hots,

I see your point, and while it IS valid, it only goes to prove that Van Horn didn't exactly look like Carter out there.

He was 5-6 or 6-7 shooting.  The majority of them were jumpshots.  So, how can a guy that only got off 5 shots be considered to be "taking it to the hole"?

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[Weez]

add into that a) did he only take it to the hole once? how many times did this happen?

b) how do you guard a "jumpshooter" such as KVH? By guarding him close, getting a hand in his face...which inevitably leaves you most vunerable to *gasp* having him drive around you.

that's the logistics of basketball. Thigns do happen once or twice...and by your same reasoning, using this "single example," you could slam every single player in the association and say no one can play D...(and no, I'm not trying to say that Reef is a great defensive player, but you fail to use any reasoning in your blind hatred/arguments).

[Hotlanta1981]

Oh cmon....Van Horn had his way with even Boris. He got
where ever he wanted to get on the floor. I'm just stating
that they played poor defense on him and allowed him to
get anywhere he wanted to.

He was 5-6 or 6-7 shooting. The majority of them were jumpshots. So, how can a guy that only got off 5 shots be considered to be "taking it to the hole"?

Well, considering his shooting percentage it's simple to
say he just didn't shoot enough. It isn;t like the team
stopped him from shooting. He's one of those players
that just becomes unaggressive on offense out of
nowhere.

Anyway, I make my point. If you want to agree with
it or not that is up to you.

Oh and hey Weez....good defensive players can react
quick. You put a Ron Artest/Bruce Bowen in that
situation and they;ll likely recover enough not to
give up baskets inside. But your right in that a few
shots doesn't overcome a good proformance on offense.

[Playmaker0017]

Hots,

Good defensive players?  You named two of the best in the league, that isn't good but exceptional.

Now, if you want to say that Reef played like a wuss on Williamson last night, I would agree.  He was matched up one-on-one with Corliss and failed.  

Both sides of Reef's game were pretty lackluster.

Play.