that pitons were trying to get theo? i caught the tail end of nba live show on espn and they were saying that pistons wanted to get him because of the way he handled oneal the oter night. I wonder who we could get for him? harrington? milicic? or both(I wish)
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 12:12 PM
Atlanta trades: C Theo Ratliff (8.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.6 minutes)
Atlanta receives: C Zeljko Rebracca (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.2 minutes)
PG Chucky Atkins (6.6 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 19.1 minutes)
PF Darko Milicic (0.9 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and +1.9 apg.
Detroit trades: C Zeljko Rebracca (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.2 minutes)
PG Chucky Atkins (6.6 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 19.1 minutes)
PF Darko Milicic (0.9 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.2 minutes)
Detroit receives: C Theo Ratliff (8.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 43 games)
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
Atlanta receives: C Zeljko Rebracca (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.2 minutes)
PG Chucky Atkins (6.6 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 19.1 minutes)
PF Darko Milicic (0.9 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and +1.9 apg.
Detroit trades: C Zeljko Rebracca (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.2 minutes)
PG Chucky Atkins (6.6 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 19.1 minutes)
PF Darko Milicic (0.9 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 3.2 minutes)
Detroit receives: C Theo Ratliff (8.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 43 games)
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 12:14 PM
I wish, D.
From what I read somewhere else, the deal they mentioned was Theo for Sura/Campbell. Gotta love that one...
From what I read somewhere else, the deal they mentioned was Theo for Sura/Campbell. Gotta love that one...
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 12:26 PM
What???
Please.
No, I don't see much in Rebracca (Cap Space) or Atkins for that matter... So this deal boils down to Theo for Darko. I think honestly that Detroit wins...
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They don't need Theo seeing that they have Okur. That's a good pickup.
Please.
No, I don't see much in Rebracca (Cap Space) or Atkins for that matter... So this deal boils down to Theo for Darko. I think honestly that Detroit wins...
BUT
They don't need Theo seeing that they have Okur. That's a good pickup.
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 03:07 PM
lo. it was late when i posted. wasn't thinking so clearly. was talking about pistons trying to add to handle pacers and my feeble brain went haywire.
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Posted 24 January 2004 - 11:50 PM
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What???
Please.
No, I don't see much in Rebracca (Cap Space) or Atkins for that matter... So this deal boils down to Theo for Darko. I think honestly that Detroit wins...
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They don't need Theo seeing that they have Okur. That's a good pickup.
Yea right Detroit wins on that one. They trade a extremely young possible future superstar in Darko and receive an aging player with a huge contract in Theo Ratliff, not to mention Detroit already has solid big men in Wallace and Okur. Sure they win in the short term by getting another solid big man that will block a lot of shots and improve an already good defensive team, but down the road that trade could be looked down upon equally as much as the Blazers taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 03:32 AM
I said that Detroit doesn't need Theo being that they have Okur.
However, if they didn't have him, having Theo/Wallace would be a prize that any coach would love to have.
NOW.
About Darko. Too much hype Todd. He has only played 48 minutes total this year. 48 minutes is pathetic. He's on track with Perkins and Ebi (2 HSers who people believe came out too early). That doesn't spell Superstar or Superstar in the making. Name one Superstar that played that Little??
Dirk as a Rookie averaged 20.4 mpg (958 minutes total).
KG as a rookie played 28.7 mpg (2,287 minutes total).
Darko's minutes suggest that he doesn't have as much talent as the hype suggest. Even Hubert Davis who was cut after 3 games played 23 minutes.
However, if they didn't have him, having Theo/Wallace would be a prize that any coach would love to have.
NOW.
About Darko. Too much hype Todd. He has only played 48 minutes total this year. 48 minutes is pathetic. He's on track with Perkins and Ebi (2 HSers who people believe came out too early). That doesn't spell Superstar or Superstar in the making. Name one Superstar that played that Little??
Dirk as a Rookie averaged 20.4 mpg (958 minutes total).
KG as a rookie played 28.7 mpg (2,287 minutes total).
Darko's minutes suggest that he doesn't have as much talent as the hype suggest. Even Hubert Davis who was cut after 3 games played 23 minutes.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 08:23 AM
I am not sure about talent level with the kid, but I can attest to the fact that I think the coach is ruining any possible future the kid could have had. Sitting that much ruins confidence.
Confidence is EVERYTHING in the NBA.
What they might have had and what they will end up with if they continue down this path are probably completely separate animals.
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Confidence is EVERYTHING in the NBA.
What they might have had and what they will end up with if they continue down this path are probably completely separate animals.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 09:37 AM
The Pistons are treating Darko like the Blazers treated Jermaine O'Neal. They Have Okur, Wallace, Campbell, and Rebracca. Throw in Big Nasty, who can play a little power forward. They don't need Darko to play heavy minutes this season. The kid is not being ruined by not playing, because the blue print has been laid by Jermaine O'Neal. Remember, this kid was the youngest player in the draft.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 10:15 AM
I love how everyone is in love with O'Neal. The kid is playing great basketball, but he is hardly this premier wonderkid.
I mean, until recently, he was shooting a [censored]-poor 41% and has only pulled it up to 43% over the past while. That is NOT impressive.
His defense is solid.
Besides, didn't he get more than 10 minutes a game his rookie year?
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I mean, until recently, he was shooting a [censored]-poor 41% and has only pulled it up to 43% over the past while. That is NOT impressive.
His defense is solid.
Besides, didn't he get more than 10 minutes a game his rookie year?
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 12:20 PM
Jermaine O'Neal is an All-Star forward, no matter what you believe. He would receive consideration even if he played in the Western Conference. Yes, he played 10.2 minutes per game his rookie year, but he only played in 45 games. He probably received more junk playing time with the Blazers, because they actually blew people out back then, while the Pistons still struggle to score points. As a matter of fact, the Pistons average 89 ppg, while the Blazers in 96-96 averaged 99.
With the Darko pick, the Pistons were looking at the future, where they will lose Campbell and Rebracca after this season. They will try to resign Okur, and I'm sure next season Darko will play more minutes. It is too early to criticize him right now, because Larry Brown is not known for giving playing time to rookies.
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With the Darko pick, the Pistons were looking at the future, where they will lose Campbell and Rebracca after this season. They will try to resign Okur, and I'm sure next season Darko will play more minutes. It is too early to criticize him right now, because Larry Brown is not known for giving playing time to rookies.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 12:42 PM
Trouble,
Did I not say that O'Neal is playing great basketball? What I said is that he is not some godsend.
People act as if he is the second coming, yet he hardly inspires that. He plays on a SOLID team with the ability to get him the ball in great positions. Still he shoots under 43%.
He plays solid defense, but gets a lot of "Theo-type" blocks - so people put him in the league of Garnett on defense.
He just isn't in that breath. He isn't Garnett or Duncan. He is more on Shareef's level. A great player who can open it up a little more. I think Reef has more offensive talent, while O'Neal has more defensive.
But, as it stands ... people think O'Neal is wonderchild numero uno...
As for Darko -- I think Darko can and should be great. But he needs more than a minute per contest to develop. Maybe you are right and it will open up a little more for him next year.
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Did I not say that O'Neal is playing great basketball? What I said is that he is not some godsend.
People act as if he is the second coming, yet he hardly inspires that. He plays on a SOLID team with the ability to get him the ball in great positions. Still he shoots under 43%.
He plays solid defense, but gets a lot of "Theo-type" blocks - so people put him in the league of Garnett on defense.
He just isn't in that breath. He isn't Garnett or Duncan. He is more on Shareef's level. A great player who can open it up a little more. I think Reef has more offensive talent, while O'Neal has more defensive.
But, as it stands ... people think O'Neal is wonderchild numero uno...
As for Darko -- I think Darko can and should be great. But he needs more than a minute per contest to develop. Maybe you are right and it will open up a little more for him next year.
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 01:30 PM
In his rookie Year, Oneal was a project. He was the third C behind Sabonis and Cato. I want to say that there was another player that played some C/PF too.
BUT.
In all that, Oneal still eeked out 10.2 mpg in 45 games. That's about 458 minutes total.
It's passed the halfway point and Darko has played 48 minutes total....
Pathetic.
Also,
ONeal, had a lot of work to do on his game too. What does it suggest about Darko? Who is he playing behind?
BUT.
In all that, Oneal still eeked out 10.2 mpg in 45 games. That's about 458 minutes total.
It's passed the halfway point and Darko has played 48 minutes total....
Pathetic.
Also,
ONeal, had a lot of work to do on his game too. What does it suggest about Darko? Who is he playing behind?
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 01:54 PM
What you people fail to understand is Larry Brown is a defensive minded coach. Most rookies, especially Europeans, struggle with defense when they enter the NBA. Add the fact that Brown hates to play rookies, and there you have it. A European Rookie, who can't play D, will not play for Larry Brown, until he proves he can guard NBA Players.
Who is he playing behind? Well there is Ben Wallace, Okur, Campbell (who I don't think is a good starter at this point, but is a decent reserve big man), and Rebraca. Darko has skills, [censored] even his Piston teammates think so, but he will not play ahead of those guys right now. I still believe that they should have taken Carmelo (I think Tayshun is better suited for a reserve role) with the 2nd pick, but their goal was to bring Darko along slowly, and that is what is happening. It is too early to label him as a bust when he has only been in the league for half a season.
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Who is he playing behind? Well there is Ben Wallace, Okur, Campbell (who I don't think is a good starter at this point, but is a decent reserve big man), and Rebraca. Darko has skills, [censored] even his Piston teammates think so, but he will not play ahead of those guys right now. I still believe that they should have taken Carmelo (I think Tayshun is better suited for a reserve role) with the 2nd pick, but their goal was to bring Darko along slowly, and that is what is happening. It is too early to label him as a bust when he has only been in the league for half a season.
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