I watched Toronto more than any other team during Damon's first three yrs. Back when it was him and Oliver Miller, Alvin Robertson, and Sharone Wright (Wright was the reason I watched them a lot.). Anyway, Damon played his tail off. And when they got Camby, they had dynasty potential (but bad coaching and bad Management hurt them bad.).
But for you to say that Stoudamire stats were bloated or even to suggest that, lets me know that you didn't watch?!? Have you even attempted to watch him in portland? He's still really good, just Short. If he could defend Kobe, Francis, Payton, and all the other tall gaurds out west, he'd be THE MAN. I believe he can still get 20/9 in a 38 mpg clip.
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Damon Stoudamire... Bloated Stats? Get a life.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 05:45 PM
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 06:01 PM
But for you to say that Stoudamire stats were bloated or even to suggest that, lets me know that you didn't watch?!? Have you even attempted to watch him in portland? He's still really good, just Short. If he could defend Kobe, Francis, Payton, and all the other tall gaurds out west, he'd be THE MAN. I believe he can still get 20/9 in a 38 mpg clip."
How many games did the Raptors improve during
his time there?This is what I want to know...Did
they win or didn't they?I don't give a flying [censored]
if JT average 9APG and we lose.I don't give a
crap about that.He goes to Portland and his assist
start droping with better talent.Why??Why does
Damon dissappear when he is needed the most?
It's what doesn't seem to compute through your
head.I don't give a [censored] about 9APG in losses.It
doesn't make jack if the team doesn't win.It means
NOTHING.If we are losing with JT averaging 20PPG
7APG I see your point.But we played the best ball
we have played in years with him at PG.
High numbers in losing games are bloated stats
because they don't help to a winning cause there
fore hurting the meaning of the numbers.
It's about winning and losing games Diesel.It's
winning games and not helping peoples stats in
a losing cause.
If we are losing games with JT at PG then I see
your point,but when he has played PG we have
a winning record and that makes me right.
I don't give a [censored] about DS numbers on a 20
win ball club.They don't mean anything.
Damon can't even defend the guy YOU call a 6'1
undersized SG so don't give me the Francis stuff.
Damon can't even defend JT IN THE EAST and scored
a lousy 2 points againest JT.Where is Mighty Mouse
now?That's right,he had 8APG on the worst team in
the league and he goes to a good team and slips
to 6APG.
If he could average 20/9 in 40MPG why the need
for Jeff McInnis?Why is DS nowhere to be found
in the playoffs?
Damon is a decent PG,HOWEVER the facts are the
same.Speical players make great plays and win
games.The law of averages say most games are
going to be close going toward the 4th and so you
need players that will step up.JT is the only guy
on this team that will do this.I don't want the
Atlanta Braves playing basketball.I want a player
that will actually step up when needed.
How many games did the Raptors improve during
his time there?This is what I want to know...Did
they win or didn't they?I don't give a flying [censored]
if JT average 9APG and we lose.I don't give a
crap about that.He goes to Portland and his assist
start droping with better talent.Why??Why does
Damon dissappear when he is needed the most?
It's what doesn't seem to compute through your
head.I don't give a [censored] about 9APG in losses.It
doesn't make jack if the team doesn't win.It means
NOTHING.If we are losing with JT averaging 20PPG
7APG I see your point.But we played the best ball
we have played in years with him at PG.
High numbers in losing games are bloated stats
because they don't help to a winning cause there
fore hurting the meaning of the numbers.
It's about winning and losing games Diesel.It's
winning games and not helping peoples stats in
a losing cause.
If we are losing games with JT at PG then I see
your point,but when he has played PG we have
a winning record and that makes me right.
I don't give a [censored] about DS numbers on a 20
win ball club.They don't mean anything.
Damon can't even defend the guy YOU call a 6'1
undersized SG so don't give me the Francis stuff.
Damon can't even defend JT IN THE EAST and scored
a lousy 2 points againest JT.Where is Mighty Mouse
now?That's right,he had 8APG on the worst team in
the league and he goes to a good team and slips
to 6APG.
If he could average 20/9 in 40MPG why the need
for Jeff McInnis?Why is DS nowhere to be found
in the playoffs?
Damon is a decent PG,HOWEVER the facts are the
same.Speical players make great plays and win
games.The law of averages say most games are
going to be close going toward the 4th and so you
need players that will step up.JT is the only guy
on this team that will do this.I don't want the
Atlanta Braves playing basketball.I want a player
that will actually step up when needed.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 07:29 PM
Once again, you look at a record and place it upon a players shoulder. Never mind that Camby was injured alot. Never mind that Sharone Wright was in a car wreck and never was the same again. Never mind that Butch Carter couldn't coach his way out of the paper bag.
It's always the same with you. I guess Derrick Fisher is one of the best PG's in the History of the NBA. Him and Steve Kerr.
It's always the same with you. I guess Derrick Fisher is one of the best PG's in the History of the NBA. Him and Steve Kerr.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 07:30 PM
His first three yrs, Damon averaged about 19 ppg, 8.9 apg. Terry has yet to get close. What does that make Terry?
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 08:06 PM
Once again, you look at a record and place it upon a players shoulder. Never mind that Camby was injured alot. Never mind that Sharone Wright was in a car wreck and never was the same again. Never mind that Butch Carter couldn't coach his way out of the paper bag. "
So you got excuses for Damon but JT was supposed to
average 9APG no matter what.Forget Theo was out,
forget Toni/hendu wasn't healthy...forget Hanno
played and he isn't a NBA player.
But there are excuses for Damon.Whatever
So you got excuses for Damon but JT was supposed to
average 9APG no matter what.Forget Theo was out,
forget Toni/hendu wasn't healthy...forget Hanno
played and he isn't a NBA player.
But there are excuses for Damon.Whatever
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His first three yrs, Damon averaged about 19 ppg, 8.9 apg. Terry has yet to get close. What does that make Terry?"
Terry is improving in the win stat.Damon never
did that in Toronto.Terry already averaged 19PPG
and top 8 in steals and top 5 in three's made.
Damon shot a lousy 40.1%
How many shots did he take to get his 19PPG?
Terry is improving in the win stat.Damon never
did that in Toronto.Terry already averaged 19PPG
and top 8 in steals and top 5 in three's made.
Damon shot a lousy 40.1%
How many shots did he take to get his 19PPG?
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 06:19 AM
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Terry is improving in the win stat.Damon never
did that in Toronto.
Terry is not improving the Hawks Win Stats? Getting good players around Terry is improving it.
If we still have LO and Brevin... We'd still be a 27 win team. Period.
In Damon's case, his team LOST good players.
YOUR Logic Sucks. Terry is not responsible for our wins or losses. Neither is Stoudamire for Toronto's. However, if you want to keep that line of thinking. Damon Must be the S--- because when he went to PTL, they got the best record in the NBA.
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"Terry is not improving the Hawks Win Stats? Getting good players around Terry is improving it.
If we still have LO and Brevin... We'd still be a 27 win team. Period."
That's why probably six of the players on our roster
last year probably will not be on one this year?
We where 14-something with him at SG and a winning
record with him at PG.We really didn't have any increased
talent either.
JT CLEARLY had a effect on the improvement.His move to
PG increased the wins.In fact,had starter JT at PG
to start with we would have been in the playoffs.We
had our worse month in Jan right before JT moved
to PG....And Terry didn't make any difference?Your
full of [censored]...but what else is new?
I guess you don't consider losing 3 starters for most
of the season losing players...Injuries to Theo/Dion/
Toni.
lol whatever.You just want JT traded so bad you
can taste it.Say you don't but if you do you are
not telling the truth.
What "good"players are you talking about anyway?
Newble the guy you claim is Ty Corbin?Hanno?Hendu
averaging 6PPG.Kukoc inconsisant?
No wonder most people ignore you now.Continue to
try and be different.But being different doesn't make
you right.Talk to me when you get a legit arguement.
If we still have LO and Brevin... We'd still be a 27 win team. Period."
That's why probably six of the players on our roster
last year probably will not be on one this year?
We where 14-something with him at SG and a winning
record with him at PG.We really didn't have any increased
talent either.
JT CLEARLY had a effect on the improvement.His move to
PG increased the wins.In fact,had starter JT at PG
to start with we would have been in the playoffs.We
had our worse month in Jan right before JT moved
to PG....And Terry didn't make any difference?Your
full of [censored]...but what else is new?
I guess you don't consider losing 3 starters for most
of the season losing players...Injuries to Theo/Dion/
Toni.
lol whatever.You just want JT traded so bad you
can taste it.Say you don't but if you do you are
not telling the truth.
What "good"players are you talking about anyway?
Newble the guy you claim is Ty Corbin?Hanno?Hendu
averaging 6PPG.Kukoc inconsisant?
No wonder most people ignore you now.Continue to
try and be different.But being different doesn't make
you right.Talk to me when you get a legit arguement.
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We where 14-something with him at SG and a winning
record with him at PG.We really didn't have any increased
talent either.
We were 14-27 in the first half of the season.
We were 19-22 in the second half of the season.
You're argueing about 5 games? 5 games could have been several things:
1. Chemistry.
2. Ease of schedule.
3. increased play of DJ and Ira.
4. Decreased play of Hanno M.
5. The return of Hendu.
I will say this... Moving JT out of the SG spot and putting DJ/Ira in helped our defense a lot because JT was a Liability at the 2. However, there are so many things that could have contributed to 5 games that it's a shame to hear all the hoopla you guys give it.
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We were 14-27 in the first half of the season.
We were 19-22 in the second half of the season.
You're argueing about 5 games? 5 games could have been several things:"
HAHA You know good and well we had a winning
record when JT played the PG.It's been mentioned
several times.Mustless we not mention that JT did
not play againest Boston and left early againest
Orlando.
We had a record in the second half in the mold
of Boston but look at them last year.There were winning
before the Rogers trade with basically no increase
talent.Just something else to kill your case=)
The easy record?Well you can also argue our first half
record was too overloaded with more talented teams
so we got alittle more fair schedule in the second half.
See what happens when you twist things around to fit
your arguement?
You are out of order and I am bored.You heard who
won that game last night.You might not like it,but
there is not a damn thing you can do about it but
try and spin it around like you do everything else.
I say blue,you say black....I say coke,you say Pepsi.
We were 19-22 in the second half of the season.
You're argueing about 5 games? 5 games could have been several things:"
HAHA You know good and well we had a winning
record when JT played the PG.It's been mentioned
several times.Mustless we not mention that JT did
not play againest Boston and left early againest
Orlando.
We had a record in the second half in the mold
of Boston but look at them last year.There were winning
before the Rogers trade with basically no increase
talent.Just something else to kill your case=)
The easy record?Well you can also argue our first half
record was too overloaded with more talented teams
so we got alittle more fair schedule in the second half.
See what happens when you twist things around to fit
your arguement?
You are out of order and I am bored.You heard who
won that game last night.You might not like it,but
there is not a damn thing you can do about it but
try and spin it around like you do everything else.
I say blue,you say black....I say coke,you say Pepsi.
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