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That's even by your own analysis when you agreed with me that simply calling Marvin a BPA in pre-draft 2005 terms isn't sufficient... you and I agreed that there's a QUALIFIER to that assertion,

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No. Again you are confusing the identification of the BPA with the decision whether or not to draft the BPA.

If all GM's could evaluate talent perfectly (major reach) then there would be a unanimous BPA at every draft slot.

After the BPA is identified then the decision is whether or not to draft the BPA. Then things like positional importance (center > pg > sf) and team needs have to be taken into account.

In 2004 these other considerations didn't matter because the Hawks had (if i remember correctly) only 2 players under contract for the following season. Positional importance had no relevance because iggy, Childress, and Deng all played the 2 or 3 spots which are the easiest to fill.

There was no reason not to take the BPA (best player in 5 years) and that BPA was not Childress.

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there's some presumption that's related to one's world view and how one tends to look at people, and especially people in authority.

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Like The Tyrant?

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I do need to wait until season's end to celebrate my infinite correct-ness. I could still be wrong.

But just for the record, here's some foundational positions-o-mine argued throughout the off-season, and even before... and those positions are looking pretty stout, even while others are desperately grasping for new ways to couch their old positions so that they don't seem SO wrong.

I'll put it in my tickler file to revisit these in April to see if they seem any more or less true...

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1. BK did have a cogent plan for re-building the roster.

2. BK did execute that plan for the most part.

3. The few exceptions to that are glaring: the attempt to jump-start the process by throwing money at Kenyon Martin and at Speedy Claxton... though the glare is slightly mitigated by the point that injuries are always a wild card to some degree.

3. Patience, something fans too often have little of, is wonderful when an ownership and a GM have a good dose of it.

4. When Marvin Williams ends his career, ATL fans will look back on his body of work and consider him clearly worthy of his #2 selection.

5. The perception of "being a good coach" is only as good as the won-loss record that his team has accumulated... and in the end, too few fans recognize the great difficulty in distinguishing between when success or failure is primarily a reflection of the coaching, as opposed to a reflection of the talent.

6. Obtaining Andrew Bynum this past off-season would have been a mighty good idea... he is as good as I'd advertised.

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This post is amusing in so many ways.

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sturt, on 31 December 2007 - 11:22 AM, said:

I do need to wait until season's end to celebrate my infinite correct-ness. I could still be wrong.

But just for the record, here's some foundational positions-o-mine argued throughout the off-season, and even before... and those positions are looking pretty stout, even while others are desperately grasping for new ways to couch their old positions so that they don't seem SO wrong.

I'll put it in my tickler file to revisit these in April to see if they seem any more or less true...

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1. BK did have a cogent plan for re-building the roster.

2. BK did execute that plan for the most part.

3. The few exceptions to that are glaring: the attempt to jump-start the process by throwing money at Kenyon Martin and at Speedy Claxton... though the glare is slightly mitigated by the point that injuries are always a wild card to some degree.

3. Patience, something fans too often have little of, is wonderful when an ownership and a GM have a good dose of it.

4. When Marvin Williams ends his career, ATL fans will look back on his body of work and consider him clearly worthy of his #2 selection.

5. The perception of "being a good coach" is only as good as the won-loss record that his team has accumulated... and in the end, too few fans recognize the great difficulty in distinguishing between when success or failure is primarily a reflection of the coaching, as opposed to a reflection of the talent.

6. Obtaining Andrew Bynum this past off-season would have been a mighty good idea... he is as good as I'd advertised.

I wonder is sturt is still feeling like Nostradamus. What sturt calls patience I call denial.

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exodus, on 23 March 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

I wonder is sturt is still feeling like Nostradamus. What sturt calls patience I call denial.

I strongly suspect sturt has changed his views on a couple of those with the passage of time.