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The Hawks could spend around 3.5 million for another player and still not pay the luxury tax.

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Slowly, this board is realizing how awful the ASG really is. Until they actually make moves, I am going to continue to assume that they are morons. So far, my assumptions haven't led me to a wrong conclusion of the ASG yet.

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the only difference in AB and ASG is AB is a billionaire and ASG is a collection on millionaires.

AB has made some mistakes too

1 - Paying Peerless Price

2 - Making MV7 the hugest paid player in the NFL

The only reason we're not calling AB an idiot now is he has enough money to fix his screw ups.

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The Hawks could spend around 3.5 million for another player and still not pay the luxury tax.

There are two things going on here. (1) Credibility with the fan base. (2) Meaningfully spending our FA dollars to upgrade the roster. Your point that we could sign two minimum players and get another for around $3.5M goes to the second point.

I think the messages the fans have seen this offseason went from eliciting the reaction of "now signing JJ makes sense - we are going to spend into the tax, add some real depth and take our shot at the top!" to "why in the world did we resign JJ if we didn't mean to spend like contending teams do?"

On the second point, I hear what you are saying about the $3.5M along with two minimum salary vets. My reaction is: "Sweet. We are willing to spend almost enough money to land an impact "proven veteran" like Luke Ridnour! I wonder who will be willing to sign with the Hawks for less than Ridnour got. Someone awesome, I bet!"

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the only difference in AB and ASG is AB is a billionaire and ASG is a collection on millionaires.

AB also hires his management, empowers them to make decisions and then fires them when he no longer trusts them to keep making those decisions. I don't think you can say that about the ASG. They neutered BK (no trading for Calderon; no power to hire and fire your coach; etc.) and still didn't fire him (he resigned). Now Sund admits Drew wasn't his recommendation for the coaching hire. I don't think you would see anything like that about the Falcons' GM.

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I don't see the contradictory statements here. They would prefer to bring in veterans to fill out the roster rather than Rookies. The hawks are willing to pay the luxury tax for the right player which I do believe them on. If a gasol got dropped in their lap they would pay the tax for them. You just ignored the critical part of "FOR THE RIGHT PLAYERS". To me that was pretty clear that htey weren't planning to spend the MLE unless someone absolutely dropped in their lap.

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I don't see the contradictory statements here. They would prefer to bring in veterans to fill out the roster rather than Rookies. The hawks are willing to pay the luxury tax for the right player which I do believe them on. If a gasol got dropped in their lap they would pay the tax for them. You just ignored the critical part of "FOR THE RIGHT PLAYERS". To me that was pretty clear that htey weren't planning to spend the MLE unless someone absolutely dropped in their lap.

If you are waiting for Pau Gasol to sign with the MLE....let's just say I wouldn't go public with that part of your plan. I'd keep that safely hidden away from reporters who might otherwise question your sanity.

Like you, I am really, really hoping that the Hawks are burning up the phone lines trying to pull off their own Pau Gasol/Chris Paul/etc. sort of trade. For PR purposes, I think it is a disaster to say that you are willing to pay the tax "for the right player" when there is no realistic or foreseeable opportunity to spend it on that "right player." I can at least wrap my head around the idea that the "right player" qualifier explains an unwillingness to pay the tax.

I do, however, see the whole idea of adding talent around JJ to be completely at odds with the idea of filling out the roster with two minimum salary vets and a $3.5M vet. That will get you a whole lot of nothing unless you just hit a home run in FA ala Flip Murray or Chris Anderson. Signing Joe Smith, Jason Collins and a fill-in-the-blank $3.5M player is NOT going to meaningfully add talent around JJ so don't even mention the plan to upgrade the talent on the roster outside of the draft (where you got Crawford and then sold the #31 pick) if you are relying on two minimum salary vets and a $3.5M sub-Luke-Ridnour-profile player.

That echoes the promises during the BK era where we were going to go out and get a veteran big man and then signed Lorenzen Wright. Those types of promises and follow-through just undermine your credibility with the fan base.

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I would have had zero issue with the Hawks having an offseason filling out the roster with Brad Miller, Jason Williams, and Brian Zoubek or Mikael Torrance.

I don't think I'd be willing to pay $11M to bring Shaq in this season and once you factor in the luxury tax thats what he would cost the ASG. I think that a willingness to pay the tax if the right deal were to come along is all that I can ask for. I don't think that shaq is a difference maker for this team, I just would hate to see the team turn down a firesale kind off trade because they were 100% against paying the tax.

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I don't think I'd be willing to pay $11M to bring Shaq in this season and once you factor in the luxury tax thats what he would cost the ASG. I think that a willingness to pay the tax if the right deal were to come along is all that I can ask for. I don't think that shaq is a difference maker for this team, I just would hate to see the team turn down a firesale kind off trade because they were 100% against paying the tax.

Are you saying Shaq costs us $11 million with the MLE? Or are you implying we make the S&T and get Shaq starting at ~$7 million?

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