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[Peoriabird]

Diesel, on 30 January 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Actually, believe it or not, I think that Marvin for Kaman is fair.

N.O. doesn't really need Kirk.   They have Kaman if they just want to watch somebody leave and get capspace.  However, Marvin has shown that he can play the game and would be a good young talent that can sure up their Sf position.  We'd just have to suffer with a TMac Radman rotation.  Plus, Kirk is still needed as a BU to Teague.  Kirk can run an offense better than Pargo.

What a suprise!

[JTB]

Diesel, on 30 January 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Actually, believe it or not, I think that Marvin for Kaman is fair.

N.O. doesn't really need Kirk.   They have Kaman if they just want to watch somebody leave and get capspace.  However, Marvin has shown that he can play the game and would be a good young talent that can sure up their Sf position.  We'd just have to suffer with a TMac Radman rotation.  Plus, Kirk is still needed as a BU to Teague.  Kirk can run an offense better than Pargo.

I would like for us to trade Marvin for Kaman but that deal you can't do straight up. And like others are saying I dont think that Kaman is worth much more than Marvin and a 2nd rounder. I wouldnt even give up Hinirich in the trade for Kaman mainly because Kirk can defend the 2 at a high level as well as point. With that said I think Kaman is vauluable but their asking price may be too much for him and I rather keep kirk and marvin before I give both of them up for Kaman!...Kaman is starting to look like he just isnt worth the trouble honestly...would have been a great addition...hmmmm maybe he is, its a toss up

[Bawse]

Peoriabird, on 30 January 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Yeah he carried them offensively with his array of offensive post moves!

You see what Dallas is doing this season without him right? Yeah. That's right.

Chandler was more valuable to that team that many believe.

[nbasuperstar40]

Bawse, on 31 January 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

You see what Dallas is doing this season without him right? Yeah. That's right.

Chandler was more valuable to that team that many believe.

Being value to Dallas is one thing. Saying he's better than what he is, is another. We don't have a player like Dirk. What we need A LOT more than Chandler or Kaman types is a superstar.

[Jody23]

nbasuperstar40, on 31 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Being value to Dallas is one thing. Saying he's better than what he is, is another. We don't have a player like Dirk. What we need A LOT more than Chandler or Kaman types is a superstar.

While getting a superstar would be nice, the Hawks could make themselves a contender if they fielded a team with 3 or 4 legitimate all-stars and a LEGITIMATE center the same way the Celtics did.  Right now, Joe Johnson is a legitimate all-star.  People can say what they want, but Al Horford is a legitimate all-star with a winning pedigree.  Jeff Teague has a chance to reach that level.  Josh Smith also has a chance to get there.  Would it be nice to get a superstar at center? Defenitely.  But, I think Boston showed it can be done by surrounding a legitimately sized center with 3 or 4 all-star caliber players.  The center doesn't have to be an all-star.  Just a guy with size who can clog the lane, hold his own and rebound a little bit.  As much we like Smoove and Horford, they're power forwards, one of whom is undersized in fact.  The Hawks are wasting time, players and opportunity by continuing to play undersized.  As much critisism as Horford gets for stating the obvious, it's been realibly reported that other players have also said that the Hawks need a legitimate center.  The Hawks woeful rebounding says as much.  If they just got a decent center that they don't have to sell the farm for, it could make s huge difference.

[sultanofatl]

Jody23, on 31 January 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

While getting a superstar would be nice, the Hawks could make themselves a contender if they fielded a team with 3 or 4 legitimate all-stars and a LEGITIMATE center the same way the Celtics did.  Right now, Joe Johnson is a legitimate all-star.  People can say what they want, but Al Horford is a legitimate all-star with a winning pedigree.  Jeff Teague has a chance to reach that level.  Josh Smith also has a chance to get there.  Would it be nice to get a superstar at center? Defenitely.  But, I think Boston showed it can be done by surrounding a legitimately sized center with 3 or 4 all-star caliber players.  The center doesn't have to be an all-star.  Just a guy with size who can clog the lane, hold his own and rebound a little bit.  As much we like Smoove and Horford, they're power forwards, one of whom is undersized in fact.  The Hawks are wasting time, players and opportunity by continuing to play undersized.  As much critisism as Horford gets for stating the obvious, it's been realibly reported that other players have also said that the Hawks need a legitimate center.  The Hawks woeful rebounding says as much.  If they just got a decent center that they don't have to sell the farm for, it could make s huge difference.

We already have him in Zaza.   Zaza is better than Kaman at this point.

[Jody23]

sultanofatl, on 31 January 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

We already have him in Zaza.   Zaza is better than Kaman at this point.

You can't be serious.  I like Zaza, but he couldn't jump over a crack on the sidewalk and for someone 6'10, he plays more like he's 6'4.  I'm not saying Kaman is the guy to get, but even at this point, he's way more skilled in the post and he's bigger.  Zaza alone ain't the answer and the players have even voiced this.  They need more.

[MaceCase]

Jody23, on 31 January 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

You can't be serious.  I like Zaza, but he couldn't jump over a crack on the sidewalk and for someone 6'10, he plays more like he's 6'4.  I'm not saying Kaman is the guy to get, but even at this point, he's way more skilled in the post and he's bigger.  Zaza alone ain't the answer and the players have even voiced this.  They need more.

He may be more skilled in the post but no one has seen much of it in years.  He's been primarily a jumpshooting bigman for a few years now.

[Jody23]

MaceCase, on 31 January 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

He may be more skilled in the post but no one has seen much of it in years.  He's been primarily a jumpshooting bigman for a few years now.

Oh he's definitely battled some injuries and may not be what he once was, but he's still a far better player than Zaza.

[JayBirdHawk]

1. Marvin alone cannot get Kaman, will prolly have to include Z, with Kaman's injury history the past 2 years I'm concerned that if he is injured we have no viable backup with Al already out.
2. Both drafted in 2003 - Kaman listed at 7'-0", Z listed at 6'-11", played 510 games and 600 games respectivly since being drafted.
3. Kaman in 17 games is averaging 9.2 ppg and 6.6 rpg...Zaza in 21 games is averaging (since starting) 8.0 ppg and 7.0 rpg

[Randy]

Looks to me like there is no deal for Kaman that can work, or be worth it.   A better backup for ZaZa may be the best we can hope for at this time.

[JayBirdHawk]

Another thing:  with the draft as deep as everyone is saying, why give up a 1st round pick for him.

[sturt]

Thought I said this already, but maybe not in this thread... and too lazy to go look...

That is, the talk in Boston is that they believe there is a legitimate chance that NOLA does a buy-out with Kaman rather than making a trade. And in truth, it actually makes some sense for everyone involved. NOLA may find it more advantageous to save a few million than to acquire whatever talent might be offered... which may or may not be much. Kaman may be willing to take a buy-out and sacrifice some money otherwise owed by NOLA, with the expectation that he'll be able to make that up with whatever his new club would pay... and having that flexibility to pick a team rather than for NOLA to do so by trading him is something he'd have to consider valuable.

Were that situation to develop, thanks in part to the resistance to go all-in and hold onto Crawford, we have advantage on several would-be suitors since we do have the full MLE still tucked in Sund's back pocket. The question becomes is Kaman the type of player that Sund and Gearon considers capable of putting us into legit contention for the conference and/or NBA finals... and thus, someone they'd be willing to pay luxtax for.

[ngc7]

he is if we can get hiim for just the mle and not have to give up any pieces. we could be real tough in the playoffs especcially if horford makes it back

[JayBirdHawk]

If Kaman gets bought out, I think everyone would be on board to sign him if ASG will pony up the money.  Remember that going off the tax even with the MLE) means the ASG will be paying double.