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indiefan23, on 02 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Really? I don't think it's on target at all. Going out respectfully to teams like the champion Celtics or last year's awesome Bulls teams is not playoff mediocrity. I've never undestood why people think making this or that round of the playoffs is a measure of how good you are. You land in a bracket and match up with teams. Atlanta performed well vs most everyone they played but couldn't compete with the very best contender teams in the league. Taking the Celtics to 7 is not mediocre. Thing is, Charles is not alluding to anything other then his lack of credibility. He just jumps on the wagon of wahtever is popular to say and people listen to him cuz he's a star. Sometimes he's right, and often he's wrong.


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Not really. Charles said what he said because he thought the team was old and broken down when everyone is about 25. He said what he said because he felt Phoenix's system inflated how good Joe looks when his best numbers absolutly come from playing on the Hawks.



I think it was totally his wrist. And while they maybe could have played better vs Miami, I think you've got to be realistic. Chris Bosh is a really talented player. Haslem is a super legit player. Shane Battier is a guy you can absolutly go to war with. Mario Chalmers is very decent and stepped up to have a great game. Atlanta had just beat them with Wade/James in the lineup and Miami came out playing for revenge.



I don't really agree. I think players who win in the playoffs routinely come from the most stacked teams. Atlanta is developing a lot but they lost in the playoffs cuz they didn't have the horses, not some mentality problem from Joe Johnson. When your opinions are not based on facts it really does tend to happen that your ideas are wrong.



That could totally be the case. I feel bad for the Hawks. It's a smaller market team with great players. They had to overpay JJ. They messed up a draft or two that could have totally made them elite and everyone is blaming all the wrong people. The fact is they're an above average team who never get credit for it. After 4 games with Chicago last year no one knew who was going to win that series but people will only talk about it as if it was a loss for the team cuz they didn't win a ring or make the ECF or wahtever. I don't get it.



? I liked that Bucks team. A lot. Exactly how is having the best defensive team in the league mean you're not legit? ;0 That as a great series... I think you're selling yourself short.

I think you might be remembering a healthier version of that Bucks team.  Here is who they were in order of playoff ppg:

Brandon Jennings sub 41% fg%, sub .500 ts%, 3.6 apg
John Salmons sub 41% fg%
Carlos Delfino sub 37% fg%, 2.6 apg
Ersan Ilyasova less than 10 ppg, less than 8 rpg, 0.4 apg, series total: 1 block
Luc Mbah a Moute less than 10 ppg, less than 6 rpg, 0.7 apg, series total: 0 blocks
Luke Ridnour less than 2 rpg, less than 2 apg, poor defender
Jerry Stackhouse sub 33% fg% - done
Kurt Thomas 5.4 ppg, 0.5 bpg
Dan Gadzuric barely 10 mpg, 3 ppg & rpg
Primo Brezec, Royal Ivey, Charlie Bell - Barely played

In short - there was no big rebounder, no shot blocker, and no length on that team to stop Josh and Al from operating inside -- if we were aggressive about taking it inside (which, of course, Woody wouldn't do).  Their perimeter guards were all outplayed by their Atlanta counterparts.  They lost 2 of their top 5 players (by PER),  in Bogut and Hakim Warrick that season; we were up 2-0; and we still barely showed up enough to beat them in a game 7.

That was an embarrassment of a showing by Atlanta.  That Bucks team was one of the least talented teams in playoff history and we did not show up well against them.

Not suprisingly, the Bucks had a losing record without Bogut that season.  We played them without Bogut.

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AHF, on 03 February 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

I think you might be remembering a healthier version of that Bucks team.  Here is who they were in order of playoff ppg:

Brandon Jennings sub 41% fg%, sub .500 ts%, 3.6 apg
John Salmons sub 41% fg%
Carlos Delfino sub 37% fg%, 2.6 apg
Ersan Ilyasova less than 10 ppg, less than 8 rpg, 0.4 apg, series total: 1 block
Luc Mbah a Moute less than 10 ppg, less than 6 rpg, 0.7 apg, series total: 0 blocks
Luke Ridnour less than 2 rpg, less than 2 apg, poor defender
Jerry Stackhouse sub 33% fg% - done
Kurt Thomas 5.4 ppg, 0.5 bpg
Dan Gadzuric barely 10 mpg, 3 ppg & rpg
Primo Brezec, Royal Ivey, Charlie Bell - Barely played

In short - there was no big rebounder, no shot blocker, and no length on that team to stop Josh and Al from operating inside -- if we were aggressive about taking it inside (which, of course, Woody wouldn't do).  Their perimeter guards were all outplayed by their Atlanta counterparts.  They lost 2 of their top 5 players (by PER),  in Bogut and Hakim Warrick that season; we were up 2-0; and we still barely showed up enough to beat them in a game 7.

That was an embarrassment of a showing by Atlanta.  That Bucks team was one of the least talented teams in playoff history and we did not show up well against them.

Not suprisingly, the Bucks had a losing record without Bogut that season.  We played them without Bogut.

Ahh... no, I think you're selling yourself short. It's very easy to bring up things like shooting percentages and slam those bucks, but Jerry Stackhouse was a gamer and played great in that series. So did Brandon Jennings. And even without Bogut they were an amazing defensive team. A'Moute you list like he's a liability except he's one of the best peremiter defenders in the league. I think you're taking away from the Bucks achievement that season

. Losing Bogut ruined their dark horse chances, but didn't make them pushovers. They finished the season strong going 14/6 over their last 20 with wins vs Boston (twice), Indiana, Denver, a split with atlanta, Memphis, Chicago and Philly. The worst playoff team ever? Dear god, that's hardly accurate. That, and the Bucks won games with Brandon Jennings going insane on them to lift his team. s*** happens and that was no embarrassment. The Bucks were totally for real.

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indiefan23, on 11 February 2012 - 04:31 AM, said:

Hey, how do I add my site to th e fan imports or whatever? I'd totally like to do that. Cheers!

You need to have an XML / RSS feed of your site, which most blog sites have so you shouldn't have to worry about that.  Just PM that to me and I will check it out and make sure that you have enough content to warrant being added because it does take some time for me to get it added and I don't want to do that unless you're coming up with at least 1 good article a week, preferrably more.

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benhillboy, on 01 February 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

I could've, and have, posted my opinion that Chuck is a complete moron in terms of NBA knowledge, but most here applauded Coach for showing the team the tape of his commentary, to my surprise and disappointment.  Nothing to gain from his or Shaq's opinion whatsoever.  I advise everyone to bypass the pre, half, and post-game blabber from TNT.  You could use your hour so much more constructively.

Nobody was calling on chuck to come and coach them team. The point was that anybody that watched that game could plainly see that the Hawks did no take this heat team seriously, and they didnt seem to care if they won or lost. Chuck blasted the team, rightfully so, on nationally television and was just saying what everyone already saw. The point of showing them that tape was not so they would take advice from chuck but hoping they would be embarrased enough by that performance to come out and play with some fire. I want to point out that this strategy worked because we promptly came and and destroyed "The best team in the league" bulls.