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[DJlaysitup]

MaceCase, on 07 February 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

Well therein lies the problem, DJ.....

Wherein the problem lies is simple percentages and known skill.  When was the last time Pargo made a last second jumper to take you into overtime against Detroit?  When was the last time Pargo scored 30 points?...or Willie.

When you have a chance to win - even if you got there by wonderful effort of your backups - you put in the big guns and try to win the game..simple as that...otherwise, why have the big guns?

There is a reason the substitutes are substitutes...not that they are useless...but they aren't the best players.

It's like closers in baseball.  As a manager you may have a middle reliever who pitches 4 nice innings and gets you back in the game - but at the end - do you leave him in or bring in your closer?

You bring in your closer.  If you don't you are going against the odds - he is simply (on average) better - you also p!ss off your closer - you lose more games - because in the long run your closer is more effective - and you get fired....because you didn't play your best guy(s) at crunch time to try to win.

simple as that.

Edited by DJlaysitup, 07 February 2012 - 02:00 AM.

[Eddielives]

I find it refreshing that a coach will stand up to the egos of his starters and put in the bench players when there is still significant time left in the game.  If you understand the concept of respecting your teachers and authority, coach Drew should be respected for his decision.  I am sick of inmates running the asylum in sports.  Wherever you have successful teams that win championships, you have a coach that is respected.  No coach should ever feel intimidated to make a point to his starters by benching them when they are playing like crap.  We were probably going to lose that game either way.  So why not let some guys play who actually feel motivated to show something rather than let the big paychecks continue to put on a display of dysfunctional team basketball?

[MaceCase]

DJlaysitup, on 07 February 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

Wherein the problem lies is simple percentages and known skill.  When was the last time Pargo made a last second jumper to take you into overtime against Detroit?  When was the last time Pargo scored 30 points?...or Willie.

When you have a chance to win - even if you got there by wonderful effort of your backups - you put in the big guns and try to win the game..simple as that...otherwise, why have the big guns?

There is a reason the substitutes are substitutes...not that they are useless...but they aren't the best players.

It's like closers in baseball.  As a manager you may have a middle reliever who pitches 4 nice innings and gets you back in the game - but at the end - do you leave him in or bring in your closer?

You bring in your closer.  If you don't you are going against the odds - he is simply (on average) better - you also p!ss off your closer - you lose more games - because in the long run your closer is more effective - and you get fired....because you didn't play your best guy(s) at crunch time to try to win.

simple as that.

That analogy is off.  It's more like your starter comes in, gives up 7 in the first 3 innings, you take him out for some middle reliever that has to stretch past his usual work but just so happens to pitch the next few innings scoreless and through some miracle of rule change you decide to bring your starter back in the 9th to close out the game.

Listen, I don't know what to tell you, it's also a simple fact that starters don't give a f*** about things sometimes because they are starters, the big guns, and will be troting out the very next game to play their usual minutes and take their usual shots whether or not they show effort or pride before.  I'm not a fan of just giving guys minutes because they're talented, where was all that when the unit was getting hammered into the ground in the 3rd thus the 4th quarter deficit?  Joe and Josh played the whole 3rd quarter and the team amassed a wonderful 16 points and allowed Phoenix 29.  That's not exactly inspiring confidence for me to bring them in to overcome the deficit they lazed their way to in the 4th.

[hawksfanatic]

LD took way too long to take Josh and Joe out of this game in the second half. It is a pattern that has continued this whole season. LD has no balls or brains. Too bad the real people making decisions about roster moves have no brains either.

[macdaddy]

So we scream all year for LD to bench Josh for having a bad attitude and now we're mad he took him out as he and rest of the starters let PHX run them off the court?

Joe I thought played pretty well but i was ready for Josh to come out when he just dropped the ball on the court after a phx basket rather than inbound it to Kirk.  Hinrich had to go pick it up off the floor to bring the ball up.  Josh was out at the next timeout.

[HawksFan87]

Josh got us back in the game what are you talking about? Larry Drew has proved he is not that great of a coach the last three games. His subbing patterns have sucked the entire season though. Sooner or later he needs to realize vlad should be riding the bench.

[MaceCase]

Josh played the entire 3rd and none of the 4th, the Suns out scored the Hawks 29-16 with runs of 13-2 and 9-0 in that quarter. He wasn't fully to blame but in what world is that considered putting the team in it?

[willthepureshooter]

macdaddy, on 07 February 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

So we scream all year for LD to bench Josh for having a bad attitude and now we're mad he took him out as he and rest of the starters let PHX run them off the court?

Joe I thought played pretty well but i was ready for Josh to come out when he just dropped the ball on the court after a phx basket rather than inbound it to Kirk.  Hinrich had to go pick it up off the floor to bring the ball up.  Josh was out at the next timeout.

Well did you see the bone headed play before by Kirk? He basically turned away from Telfair and let him sink a late second three. Kirk shoula been benched for that dumb/half-*ss effort. No one wants to play defense on the boards but Josh, whom played significant minutes at Center last night. He was frustrated just like you would'be been. I like Kirk, but since he's come back our chemistry has gone downhill. Drew worked him in too fast. We are not a halfcourt team Drew. Allow us to speed up the game and attack the basket. Pargo should come in at the point off the bench, and Kirk needs to play shooting guard. Why must I keep repeating myself..?