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[nbasuperstar40]

Okay, this deal looks pretty bad. We trade a tier one player and an average center with a very reasonable contract for two lottery picks (4th and 10th), a future 1st as well as an average center barely better than Zaza with an epic terrible contract but hear me out.

http://games.espn.go...tradeId=6qldsz6

We have needs at PG and C. We need a PnR PG.

We take a PnR PG with our top pick. Kendall Marshall.


We take a Center with potential. Myers Leonard. Trade Zaza for a future 1st. Draft a backup PF with great role player potential 24 like Royce White and draft a scorer off the bench like Kim English at 43.

Marshall/Teague
Joe/Green/English
Marvin/T-Mac/Aminu
Horford/ White
Okafor/Leonard/Collins


That gives us great positional defense, team defense, an elite potential PnR PG who makes Horf a legit #1 option and Joe a legit #2 which is his natural role. This gives Marshall a chance to reach his potential as well as it makes Okafor much better because he is playing next to a PF who is versatile in Horford. We can develop Leonard as well. We have our 6th man in Teague.

This makes us a much better team even though we have less talent than we had this year. Marvin will be much better with a PG with elite court vision like Marvin as well. This makes us better even though it really makes us worse if you look at what we are giving up.

We have about 65 mil after the draft signing and with signings of vet min guys like Collins, Green, and T-Mac we have about 68 mil. Next year will be tough. Everyone salary but Horf goes up and Marvin actually goes down but he might opt out. Jeff will be a FA as well.

This gives New Orleans a lot of leeway as well. They have 33 million in cap and with this trade they get a great contract who has great talent for a terrible contract who isn't too useful on their roster with their personnel grouping. They not only get to sign key free agents but they got a lot better in the process. Completely ownage in  a sense but hey, this gets us so much better and it's not funny either. Marshall is really a piece we need and Okafor is a center with a crappy contract but hey, we get two lottery picks.


New Orleans:
Jack/Vaz
Gordon(FA)
Ariza
Smith
Kaman(FA)/Zaza

They have a lot of money. basically 38 mil in salary. They can sign sign two max players with that or sign Kaman, Gordon

[capstone21]

I would do that trade although probably draft different players...Marshall could potentially be there at 10...I would not take him at 4.

Edited by capstone21, Today, 12:11 AM.

[nbasuperstar40]

I would take him at 4. I don't give a damn about value for picks, we need a PnR PG. He has elite court vision, BBIQ, passing ability, and PnR skills. I watched Rubio play and couldn't shoot and still had an impact. Rubio is a better player and a superior defender but playing with Horford is a thousand times better for a PnR PF than Love who is somewhat ball dominant and he hates moving outside of the paint unless it's for a three pointer. Value is only what it is to your team. Marshall impact on this team is much greater than on the Raptors. The Raptors would still miss the playoffs and nothing would really be much better.

The Hawks would be night and day. Look at Bibby. He couldn't move when he came to Atlanta. All he had was his jump-shot, BBIQ, and his PnP ability since he couldn't take it to the hole. He went from an below average PG to an above average one and was even a good offensive PG for two years in ATL. He didn't even have great court vision or passing skills like that and he made our offense second in 2nd in OffRtg. We need a true PG more than we need anything. Marshall is more than worth a 4th pick for us. For most teams in the lottery, hell no.

Edited by nbasuperstar40, Today, 12:26 AM.

[EazyRoc]

I like this trade too, but like cap said would draft differently. I would try to take lamb or veal and if necessary use our pick and the tenth to move up and take Marshall. We would probably have to go into the luxury tax to get another C because our rotation would be thin. The thing about Lamb and Beal is neither is a threat to beat their man off the dribble, at least not yet. However a guy like Marshall would be able to get them easy shots and would be a coaches dream. This is a trade I would be excited to see happen though.

[nbasuperstar40]

EazyRoc, on 22 May 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

I like this trade too, but like cap said would draft differently. I would try to take lamb or veal and if necessary use our pick and the tenth to move up and take Marshall. We would probably have to go into the luxury tax to get another C because our rotation would be thin. The thing about Lamb and Beal is neither is a threat to beat their man off the dribble, at least not yet. However a guy like Marshall would be able to get them easy shots and would be a coaches dream. This is a trade I would be excited to see happen though.

I don't think Marshall will be there and the gap from the #2  best player who is Beal to Marshall isn't really that big. In fact, it's mainly a potential gap, not an ability gap.

Marshall has what we need.
Elite court vision
Elite PnR
Elite passing
Elite BBIQ
Can run all tempos
Can create for others with ease

That would make Horford a superior player, Joe a superior player and Marvin a better player. That's more value than what my #2 player Beal can bring to us or any player in this draft. It's not about rank, it's about what that player has to your team in your personnel and value. Doing otherwise is the why Atlanta drafted Marvin over CP3 and Deron. CP3 and Deron were not ranked higher than Marvin on all teams board and he wasn't ranked higher on Atlanta. In fact, most of all NBA staffs ranked Marvin the #1 overall prospect over Bogut. But Marvin needed to be groomed and he wasn't that good to be honest anyway. But look at Russell Westbrook. He was projected at pick #10-14 area. Jerryd Bayless was a top 5 prospect. They said Westbrook potential is Barbosa and he can't create his own shot.

http://www.draftexpr...Westbrook-5062/

Now look at him. Athletically unmatched. He still lacks most PG skills but he is so damn good otherwise and playing with Durant helps him tremendously as well. It's not about rank, it's about your value to that personnel. While I feel Beal potential can be reached on many of these lottery teams and Marshall is probably closer to Miller in terms of potential, with an elite PnR PF, he can become John Stockton-esque. That would improve his game night and day. He can hit Joe and Marvin for open shots. No one can double Joe like he's Kobe and we can finally run an offense like this.

Edited by nbasuperstar40, Today, 06:21 AM.

[nbasuperstar40]

Who would you take at four instead of Marshall?

[nbasuperstar40]

I am not a fan of Okafor because I don't think he's all that and he has a big ass contract and isn't worth more than 7 mil but I wouldn't mind having him next to Horford. The one thing about Okafor is he can protect the rim and is a great man post defender. His movement is poor and he can't play PnR defense. But he's smart and he looked solid with CP3 but looked horrible with Jack and Ayon. In fact, Kaman was much better and Jason Smith was surprisingly good. In fact, Jason Smith is really one of the most improved players in the NBA this season. Okafor was clearly the 3rd best center on the Hornet but had the highest pay, ugh. He would be better with us than New Orleans just because of Horford alone. We can't trade Smoove and not get someone to protect the rim or are defense falls to shreds. Smoove is such a defensive leader. He has amazing value with his vocal ability and defensive BBIQ alone.

Edited by nbasuperstar40, Today, 07:49 AM.

[EazyRoc]

 nbasuperstar40, on 22 May 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Who would you take at four instead of Marshall?

Beal or Lamb. Marshall has been projected to be drafted around the 10 th or 11th spot.

[nbasuperstar40]

EazyRoc, on 22 May 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Beal or Lamb. Marshall has been projected to be drafted around the 10 th or 11th spot.

Cool, quality talents.

I like Beal or Lamb. I think they have more potential in general than Marshall. But I like Marshall for Atlanta a lot more than Beal or Lamb. Since we are talking about Atlanta and their personnel groupings, Marshall is my #2 prospect after Davis for the Hawks.

I see Marshall going in the before pick ten. Someone will move up to take him. Him and Machado can be selected higher than projected.

Edited by nbasuperstar40, Today, 10:09 AM.

[nbasuperstar40]

I rather Marshall/Leonard for Marshall impact with our personnel and Leonard can develop into a good NBA center if given time to grow.