You say that like PP is a batman. PP is just another Robin. Anybody can look good playing next to 2 hall of famers... maybe 3? With a Hall of fame coach.
Joe gets downgraded alot but lets face it... Joe has to carry more weight than PP. If you want an example of what PP can be... Look at him back when he didn't have KG, Allen, and Rondo. Even back to his Antoine Walker days.. he was not what you say he is. Joe is playing with an Antoine Walker like player and we are akin to that Boston team.
In his "Antoine Walker" days, Paul Pierce led the celtics to a conference finals, including what was until recently the biggest 4th quarter come back in playoff history.
I agree with this. I like how people are whitewashing the very real criticisms of all the Big 3 in Boston because once they actually played together they managed to win one, just one, ring. Ray Allen didn't get it done in Seattle or Milwaukee, Pierce was on bad team after bad team in Boston after they traded Walker and KG's team were notorious in never being able to win in the playoffs. But now somehow Pierce is some kind of alpha dog playoff stud? lol ok there.
Ray Allen was one Glenn Robinson missed shot away from making it to the 2001 finals, playing in a team that started Erving Johnson and Scott WIlliams in the front court. In a series against Philly where he scored over 30 3 times.
KG took the 04 Lakers to 6 games in a badly officiated conference finals, despite losing its second best player, Sam Cassel, to injury in the first minute of game 2. They lost the series by losing 2 close games in LA, with a line up that was KG, Sprewell, Trenton Hassel, Derrick Martin, and Michael Olowakandi.
I think evaluating a player's career by the team success is terrible. Give me a team with John Stockton, Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing any day. I'd take it without thinking over a team with Derek Fisher, Chauncey Billups, Rick Fox, Antoine Walker and ALonzo Mourning, who were all important players in championship teams.
And in any case, neither of these 3 players had played with anyone as good as Horford or Josh either, so I don't know why the comparison. Each of the 3 achieved more than Joe with lesser talent surrounding them before boston. You may hate them all you like, and it is entirely understandable.