DavidSomerset

How many times you bench press 185 lbs does not determine STRENGTH...Arm length has a lot more to do with how many times you can do it...Think about it...Longer arms= more distance to lift the bar, which requires more strength.

For example, you're a Falcons fan, so check this out.

At the combine, our CB that we picked in the 2nd round (Chris Houston) benched 225lbs 27 times...On the other hand, Arron Sears, the OT from Tennessee picked in the 2nd round by TB only benched 225 lbs 21 times.

Now, who do you think has more STRENGTH? The 200 LB cornerback or the 330 lb offensive tackle?

Noah has PROVEN in games, he gets pushed around, I don't need to look at his bench numbers to know that.

Noah is not a slouch defensively by any means.

If he was he wouldn't have comparisons to players like Camby and AK47.

Granted that's not the greatest on ball defenders, not every team can have Greg Oden.

He would be sufficient especially with Smoove next to him.

That's why Im come full circle on the flip flopping you've called me out for doing.

For the longest I was just about the guys with the most upside.

But it really is pointless if it makes someone like Marvin lose a job.

We have to get a 5 so Marvin and Smoove can both be on the court.

And Noah and Horford are the closest guys to acceptable C in this draft.

No offense to any Hawes fans.

Not too many yapping about Yi and Wright anymore...All that energy has now switched to Horford (which I would be OK with, so long as he could play C) and Noah (I MIGHT like him at 11...No way in hell at 3).

Atleast there is a snowballs chance in hell that Noah could play C unlike Yi or Wright.

He's going to be a good bench player...Similar to Chillz...Just watch him play.

He is a good help defender, rebounder, and is good in transition.

He cannot create points on his own at all on offense, gets knocked around in the post on defense (please watch him play vs. the 6'4 Dane Bradshaw, PF from Tennessee...He pushes him around all game...It's sad).

He would be a nice player to bring some energy off the bench or put at PF if the rest of the team is stellar (see Phx. Suns), but he is certainly not worth the #3 pick

From Atlanta but Im currently a Gator.

And I don't know why it didn't hit me earlier that the best two prospects for the Hawks were right in front of me.

I mean sure Horford and Noah aren't traditional Centers by any means, but those type of guys aren't exactly easy to get hence the status of Oden's draft stock uncontested.

Hence the fact that someone like Mehmet Okur can get a max contract.

Sometimes you have to MAKE a Center out of a PF. That's what Orlando did.

I have faith that Horford can use his strength and athleticism to make up for his height.

I have faith that Noah can gain some weight to hold his position in the post.

I DONT have faith that Spencer Hawes can be our future.

Is Haywood really good enough at D to merit a mid-high first round pick????

I thought he got kicked out of the starting line-up this past year by Thomas.

Wright is going to be the best player outside of Durant/Oden in this draft, but now you for some reason have hopped off the bandwagon and want Horford??!?!

Yea, definitely sounds like you believe what you're saying!

This is a post of mine in this thread to BusBoy on June 2nd...

Off the Yi and Wright kool-aid and now on Horford and Noah...LOL...

Didn't I predict this a few days ago??!?!!!

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The east doesn't have many great centers, and he plays above average defense...It will be nice to get away from the Tim Duncan and Amare Stoudamire's of the world.

I know trading for AJ kinda screwed us somewhat in the money department, but how much do we have to maneuver around with?

Also, if we got rid of Speedy somehow, would we be able to afford someone like Billups?

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Shooting can be fixed...We need a distributor from the PG position...Someone who can get in the lane and dish it out...Conley can do that better than any other PG in this draft.

He will immediately be one of the quicker PG's in the league.

And if getting Hawes is what we want to do, we'd only have to move up a few spots to get him.

Obviously, I would rather trade for a C.

I can't think of a better possible offseason than this...

Trade #3/Speedy for Lamarcus or Gasol...Use the #11 pick on Crit...Sign Billups...

Oh good lord in heaven that would be SWEET.

If we take Conley, pray Hawes is there at 11, if we take Horford, pray he can play Center.

I'd prefer a trade though.

Personally, I'd rather not fool around with Bibby, but it's an interesting idea for sure.

There are a few other scenarios I would rather go with, but it's hard to argue that this lineup wouldn't make the playoffs, and make some noise in it.

Bibby/Crit/AJ

JJ/Salim

MW/Chillz

Smoove/Shelden

Zaza/Hawes

I'm guessing we'd have to give up a bit more than the #3 pick...Maybe #3 and Speedy? Or is that still not enough?

Anyways, here's my thoughts...I think we'd take Crit at 11 (I'd probably prefer Law, but it sounds like BK is more into Crit), so here's how it would look, IMO.

AJ/Crit

JJ/Salim

Marvin/Chillz

Smoove/Shelden

Gasol/Zaza/Solo

I think that team absolutely makes the playoffs with relatively good health...And we are still very, very young with room to grow.

If he shows he could handle C, I would love to trade back a few spots from 3 and take him...

Or we could package 11/Chillz to move up around 6 or so and take him, and also get Conley at 3.

Still though, IMO, he is a slightly more refined version of Shelden and prob cannot play C.

I'm a big Tennessee fan.

I can tell you I love Chris Lofton, but he is NOT going to be a good pro.

He is a SG all the way and he's only 6'3...He is a less athletic, more controlled version of Salim Stoudamire.

Tyler Smith just transferred from Iowa...He might have a future in the NBA...Prob 2 years away though.

I've got the feeling that Horford isn't really in the mix at 3 from everything I've been reading.

In my opinion, he is a pure, pure PF...But if he is tall enough, he might be able to play some C.

I like Horford's game, but would still rather find a different solution at C...He plays a lot like Shelden.

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1) JS and JJ simply aren't good enough. They are worse than 15 of the top 20 and all the top 10 team's top 2 players statistically.

2) MW isn't a prospect worth considering remotely better than either of them IMO.

3) Yes we had injuries, but so did alot of teams and WE ended up 4th worst.

4) Coaching remains

5) Our injuries, many at least, are ones that could continue or limit a player.

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So, I-F we remain somehow ideally healthy, get new coaching, one or both of our top 2 players suddenly goes and becomes a superstar or MW somehow gets possessed by the spirit of MJ, we resign all these players...we're looking at the playoffs. Remember, the top 20 teams don't make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed, only the top 16. So when I say our top 2 players only measure up to the bottom 5 of the top 20 teams we have to do considerably better to even make the playoffs much less contend. I think you realize this jdu.

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1) JS and JJ simply aren't good enough. They are worse than 15 of the top 20 and all the top 10 team's top 2 players statistically.

2) MW isn't a prospect worth considering remotely better than either of them IMO.

3) Yes we had injuries, but so did alot of teams and WE ended up 4th worst.

4) Coaching remains

5) Our injuries, many at least, are ones that could continue or limit a player.

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So, I-F we remain somehow ideally healthy, get new coaching, one or both of our top 2 players suddenly goes and becomes a superstar or MW somehow gets possessed by the spirit of MJ, we resign all these players...we're looking at the playoffs. Remember, the top 20 teams don't make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed, only the top 16. So when I say our top 2 players only measure up to the bottom 5 of the top 20 teams we have to do considerably better to even make the playoffs much less contend. I think you realize this jdu.

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