Sothron

January 23

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

I think every game this season has had some unexpected player tear us a new one.

it has honestly been this way since the ECF run.

January 22

I don't think our FO is bad. Their problem is they have an owner that interferes and won't pay the LT. It just handcuffs them to a degree other teams don't have.

If @Mikey is correct and we can pivot in the offseason to acquire Zion then a Trae/Zion/JJ team would be fun to watch.

January 22

we have a forum to discuss the falcons, guys.

January 22

16 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

For as much as it is said that Ressler is all about making money with Trae, I'm not sure I see him going down the road of rebuilding knowing that Trae would ultimately force his way out. Surely he doesn't think or expect Trae would be ok waiting through another multi year rebuild?

That doesn't make any sense. If they rebuild, Trae will demand a trade. If Trae demands a trade, they lose a huge chunk of fans. If they lose a ton of fans, Tony loses a ton of money. And there's still no guarantee they build a winner.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. I can only tell you what my sources are saying. You can also see other media types are hearing the same things about the Hawks wanting two firsts and expiring deals or team friendly contracts. The inevitable result if that happens would be Trae at some point wanting out.

I don't want that to happen either but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how moving our best asset not named Trae for a deal like that is going to work out.

January 22

Just now, Plainview1981 said:

Ressler is a snake oil salesman. Most people like him are.

I like the posters here more than I like this franchise at this point. With each failed run, a piece of my Fandom for this franchise dies.

I'm approaching my mid 40's. I'm too old to give emotional investment to this franchise if they head in that direction. Indifference is setting in at this point.

I am 47 and I already reached the point you are talking about with the Falcons after That Game. I still root for them but I have no emotional investment at all with them. Knowing how much Ressler has flat out lied to fans about contending and spending money...Hawks are close to that for me.

FWIW Brad Rowland went from being a huge Hawks fan to not being a fan at all. He only covers them because it is his job. He couldn't take the constant heartbreak. I am approaching the same.

This is why, I have to point out, having more than one team to cheer for is actually healthy for you. When one franchise is bad or handcuffed by a bad owner you at least have some other options.

January 22

2 minutes ago, Plainview1981 said:

If losing Trae and Murray both is the where the team is headed, I'm done. I don't know how they could possibly think this will go over well.

If they do this, they'll piss away any fans they've got the last 5-7 years. These people care dangerously dumb.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Trae is demanding a trade. But if the team moves players for just saving Ressler money and firsts for cheap rookie contracts...where else does that leave Trae? Why would he want to stick around for that?

It was intentional for Trae to mention he likes the Spurs and Wemby. I could easily see the Spurs sending a package of picks including our own to get Trae at some point.

January 22

Update:

Team is looking for two firsts and either a quality young player, a player on a team friendly deal ie cheap or expiring contract(s) for DJM.

Team is trying hard to attach Capela and/or Hunter to DJ in a trade. Team is trying to shed salary (heard this one before?) and recoup draft assets for what they gave up to get Murray.

Idea has shifted from getting a second star player either now or in the offseason to this goal. If no deal is there that satisfices above wants at the deadline expect it to happen in the offseason when teams are more flexible in trade offers.

End "insider" non neutral commentary and just the facts approach to what I was told by sources.

Soth's thoughts: if this happens this is the precursor to the inevitable Trae trade demand and eventual Trae sweepstakes trade. When a team switches from trying to put a second star next to its 25 year old superstar to get cheap/pick up firsts that is how a rebuild starts.

I don't like being the bringer of bad news but trading DJ for that kind of return makes the rebuild a necessity. Trae is not sticking around in his prime years on a team that isn't serious about being a contender.

January 21

I would kill to get Sheppard on this team. I also like @NBASupes prospect in the French kid. Cody Williams has promise. The Serbian PG that has wheels and is 6'6" also looks like a real stud in the making.

I don't think this draft is as weak as people are making it out to be. It does lack a definite sure fire number one to three pick but there is real NBA talent in this draft.

January 21

This is what you call a "schedule loss".

I also have to point out it is BS that the Heat were able to push last night's game to 8 pm for an EST game, delay the game almost an HOUR at half time for a scrub player's jersey retirement and they did this knowing the Hawks had a game the next day.

It is BS the NBA let this happen.

January 21

I've mentioned the interest Atlanta has in Jones/Murphy weeks ago. Interest is real. I can see Jones and two firsts for DJ.

I think fans are starting to finally see the reality of the new CBA settling in. The NBA has made it practically impossible to have a Big 3 any more because you literally can't pay everyone. So now the stars will get more spread out or stay at home which is frankly what the NBA vastly prefers.

January 20

27 minutes ago, warcore said:

@Sothron aren't you glad we didn't get McRib? Bogi is more productive and on a much better contract. Has more trade value. What a blessing.

to be fair if McRib coulda stayed healthy he would have fit well here. But alas, his best days are behind him. Kinda like the McRib ....food for thought...

January 20

This probably isn't the thread to talk about player's performances this season but I have to say that OO has been the second most disappointed Hawk for me. Bey takes the cake by a long shot. He can't defend even though he tries. It is his complete lack of three point shooting. He literally can't hit at all this season. I sincerely hope we trade him and let him be someone else's RFA worry this offseason.

OO has not stepped up like everyone hoped he would.

January 20

Switching to more drop coverage has finally cut down on the horrible wide open back cuts that have killed us all season. Defense is definitely been playing better lately as a result.

January 20

13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Just hold on to Murray. Let's play this season out. I believe that it can work...
And When Minny goes out in the first round... Let's be there to pick up KAT and keep it moving!

This is the way

January 19

That is a fake shams account

January 19

2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I’m not kidding when I say with some luck they’d be a playoff team in 2 seasons max. They just need the balls to fall nicely in 2025 or 2026. 2026 especially has two guys that have best in world potential. Hawks fans can be demoralized all they want but it’s what’s best for the future and winning titles. Trae era as a 1 won’t do that

I'd love for Cooper Flagg to be a Hawk but that requires us winning the lottery.

Trading Trae for a bunch of picks and no real talent coming back would be the final straw for a number of Hawks fans.

January 19

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Bucks 1sts are all tied up as well as swaps to PTL until 2030. That's why the article said 2nds are what they have.

They can trade the 2030 pick.

January 19

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Chris Haynes had a quote circling on twitter about Trae wanting to play for a contender and he hopes this trade can help them do that.

the internal pressure has reached the media. Imagine a trade request will come soon maybe as early as the summer. He’s gonna find a way to get to San Antonio and hawks will finally rebuild like they should

We'd have to get back all our picks plus some Spurs picks and players for Trae. That trade would demolish the fanbase for the Hawks. You are talking about years of being a lottery team hoping to find another Trae.

January 19

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

So Murray and AJ for Bobby Portis, Pat Connaughton, MarJon Beauchamp, a 1st and 2 2nds?

no 2nds just a first

January 19

Tony Ressler did lasting harm to the franchise by refusing the pay the LT. Year in and year out. They traded away two starters for practically nothing in back to back seasons. The other teams took notice. Once you get the reputation of being cheap and handing away players...that is hard to shake.

There's a reason teams feel comfortable giving out bad trade offers to the Hawks. It will take the Hawks actually paying the LT under Ressler frankly for this stigma to go away.

January 19

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

When did he decide this?

The offseason.

10, 20, 30 games in?

About a month into this season is when he had a meeting with the FO about the roster. The talk about the team wants to rebuild around Trae and JJ started from that conversation.

If Quin was our coach at the time that trade for DJM would never have took place.

January 19

55 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I am HIM Sothron lol jk. But thank you for the corroboration. I don't even think my source follows these message boards and he certainly didn't tell me to keep this under wraps.

My two Hawks sources are livid, honestly, that some of this is getting out. I'm not asking you to keep it private but personally I'm sitting here like the Pulp Fiction meme where Vincent is looking around when I'm told to keep things private and other people are like naw, fam tell everyone

January 19

That best Bucks offer has us getting back a first and AJ also included in the deal just FYI.

January 19

If I can make one request...please don't get upset with the "insiders" for sharing these rumors/rumblings whatever you want to call it. We are just the messengers here. As a fan I am horrified at some of the packages being offered to the Hawks for our players.

January 19

The Mitchell Robinson/Grimes/Fournier and two FRP for DJM/Capela was countered with the same deal but reduced to one FRP. These are real firsts not the "fake" firsts the Knicks have.

I don't know who @Mikey source is but one of my Hawks sources flip their lid when they saw this has come out in public.

These talks are real. It doesn't mean we are going to make a trade. I will say that it is 100% fact that Quin wants an almost complete tear down of the roster.

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