Sothron

January 19

I don't think anyone will be happy with the return for Murray. If you think Grimes and two firsts is bad the lakers trade that @thecampster has heard from his source is far worse. There isn't even a playable guy for our rotation in that trade. Rui and Dlo? God no. At least Grimes is a legit two way player and POA defender.

January 19

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

That was the deal I heard very early in the sweepstakes. AJ wasn't mentioned to me at the time. Definitely think something like this is could happen but they are actually the team I mentioned the other day that was back in and the deal was different then this. It also included clint

this is what I have heard as well. capela was included in this proposed scenario not AJ. hawks want Grimes and that interest is very real.

January 18

Yes @JeffS17 you have summed up why KAT is going to be traded. It is just a question of where. He knows it. the entire MIN fanbase knows it as well. It sucks but it is what it is. The 2nd apron is death to any franchise especially a non major market one.

January 18

These leaks are not coming from the Hawks FO. Even on here you notice that the "insiders" are careful in what we say because we've been told, at least I have, to be very cautious in what we say.

These leaks are from other teams and agencies. The Hawks are not handing players away. The team has absolutely zero reason to be forced to trade anyone on this roster.

January 18

10 minutes ago, FL_BRYANT said:

Clutch ballplayers like Trae and Murray don't grow on trees. They don't run from the big moment they run to it. There aren't many of those in the league . So if you got one you better build around them because it may be a long time before you get another one.

We have a huge front court issue. We have only Jalen that can kinda get his shots. Hunter is the definition of passive. Capela and OO are just lob threats. We have no one in the front court (unless Jalen develops) that can just take the ball and create their own shot.

Our failures as a team are two fold. The lack of defense and the lack of front court offense.

January 18

9 minutes ago, NekiEcko said:

Yeah, I think I will nominate @NBASupes and @Sothron for the positivity box next. Yall two have been so negative lately and If our insiders are negative like that, then there is no hope for this site.

Here is some "The New Day" gif to cheer yall up

Not sure how I've been negative? If we make bad trades then it deserves a negative criticism. Hopefully that does not happen.

January 18

1 minute ago, JTB said:

If this is really a possibility then it’s dumb to trade Murray right now.

hopefully they hold on to him

They are not going to trade Murray just to trade him. The Hawks hold all the cards.

January 18

8 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

A-Rod is not going to sell off KAT, if they make the NBA Finals. They'll find a way to deal someone else ( namely Gobert ), and stay out of that 2nd apron.

I would like for the Hawks to take a shot at Naz Reid this summer . . or maybe before the deadline.

They are not trading Gobert. I have a Twolf source. KAT is the one that will be moved. If we can wait to the offseason to make big trades I'd send Murray plus whatever to get him.

January 18

1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

Pretty much this. Trae has repped the city of Atlanta unlike any other star Hawks player EVER. I don't think people quite understand how disastrous losing him would be. I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at Quin. His handling of young players is just as bad as Nate Mcmillan. Why is he so afraid to play A.J. or Kobe? The top coaches aren't scared to play younger guys because their secure in their own ability as coach. The average ones just lean on veterans.

People have asked me multiple times about this. All I know is last season after Quin took over something happened in private between Quin and AJ and it put AJ in Quin's doghouse. He hasn't even come close to getting out of it since then. I have asked multiple times to my sources for more details but it is a stonewall situation other than what I wrote above. Something happened last season, AJ is in his doghouse and it is up to AJ to get out of it. Make of that what you will.

Personally, I don't see how the hell AJ could be worse than the Matthews or Bey out there.

January 18

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

They're going to keep KAT. Gobert will be the one likely to be gone.

And I fully expect them to bit the bullet next year from a tax standpoint, if they get to the NBA Finals or win a title.

Everybody isn't scary or operates on the cheap, like the Hawks tend to do.

They didn't give up 5 first round picks to trade Gobert two seasons later. I know you are in your feels right now but KAT is the only logical person to get moved out of Minnesota.

January 18

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

KAT is not going to be available. Not with the ownership group they have in place right now.

Their top 4 guys ( Ant, KAT, Gobert, McDaniels ) are locked in through 2026, unless Gobert opts out and tests the market in the summer of 2025. If not, they're good through 2026.

Conley drops off the books this season, and may re-sign with them at a far lower price if the demand for him is low this summer.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Minny would trade KAT, outside of a 1st round meltdown in the playoffs.

The second tax apron on the LT is terrifying. Minnesota, let alone any other NBA team, is not going to hit that if they can avoid it.

January 17

Just now, warcore said:

so the team is the Jazz as you've pointed out Fontecchio has increased his value?

remember how I said there were two teams I can't talk about? this is one of them. can neither confirm or deny it is utah.

January 17

1 minute ago, LucastheThird said:

@Sothron @Mikey @NBASupes @Vol4ever @thecampster

Should our deal happen faster now that the Siakam deal is completed. Or do we start asking for more value based on his trade?

The team that @Mikey is referring to has increased the value of one of the players coming back if we make that trade. So yes I would say the Siakam deal is rewarding the very few sellers.

If we don't "win" these trades then this team is in dire straights until Ressler is gone IMO.

January 17

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

I'm going out on a limb and say fans are going to be disappointed and any trades we make will be "about the future" not this season.

I can guarantee people are going to be disappointed. We gave up 4 first round picks for Murray. We aren't getting that back even though he's now signed to a very team friendly deal.

January 17

7 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Jacquez, Jovic and 2 firsts for Murray.

Then can we get Butler?

I'd do the first one for Murray.

I hate Butler like how you hate the Dubs. He f***ed my Twolves so badly I will never, ever forgive him.

January 17

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

I hate to be cynical because the energy is already very negative here, but this just feels like we're getting played for leverage again

I am confused by this. What leverage? We are perhaps the only team actually selling going into the deadline. Even the hapless Pistons are trying to trade for stars to try and fix their rebuild. The Jazz since Dec 12th have been one of the best teams in the NBA (notice the Italian guy I mentioned weeks ago? he's now starting for them and it is not a coincidence it is paying off) so now they are reluctant to trade players.

Frankly I don't know if our FO is pushing other teams hard enough. You want to buy? Fine. It is literally a one team seller's market with at least 6-10 teams seriously trying to get various players off our roster. I would make them pay through the nose. If not, someone else will. It is the one lesson teams forget year in and year out: someone always, always makes that last jump for a player.

January 17

37 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Nothin id want.

there's a rookie I like on that team but would they include him? Butler has taken him under his wing to literally replace him on that team.

January 17

Pacers are going to make a huge mistake but it is their mistake to make.

January 17

26 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Is this a real twitter post? If so Trae must know something.

It is real. and it is telling who the only other Hawk in that is...

January 17

Remember, I said before there's two teams that jumped in with serious offers that I can not name per source request.

I have to agree that the "everyone has a voice" has the exact opposite effect: no one has a real voice. Tony Ressler jumped in the Paul Millsap trade and nixed it when we would have gotten something for him. Instead he walked away as a free agent for nothing. Ressler claimed to have learned his lesson to let his FO do the work.

And we have seen that is just not the case. Chris Grant was brought in to try and be a veteran FO voice in the room and to help get real value back in trades and to help pursue targets. That's not a bad thing. The problem is...he's just another voice in the room.

January 16

11 minutes ago, parfait said:

Hey @Sothronand @Mikey now that the 15th has come and gone, what timeline do you think we're looking at. Pretty much the trade deadline?

We have a deal in place for Murray but the other team is dithering. We had more offers come in so the FO is taking time to see if they can pair up some guys in deals for higher returns or possibly a name player coming back. Doubtful but they are doing the due diligence on it.

I hate the perception is the FO is clueless. It isn't. It is just handicapped by an owner that can come in at any second and take over negotiations or nix a trade from happening.

3 minutes ago, HawksNWaffles said:

@Sothron also how did your Warhammer session go ? Funny enough someone invited me to try blood rage

It was a blast! We are playing again Thursday. It is this horde game mode one friend found online. Basically 3 of us each have 1000 point armies working together against a horde of bad guys coming in waves.

January 16

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Yes.

the leaks outside of here are coming more from other team's FO and agencies.

January 16

7 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

That’s exactly what we need. Really any team should want that.

Whats the catch then? Why is NY looking to trade him? Seems like that should be a good fit in between Brunson and OG.

Paying him down the line plus if they get something worthwhile in terms of a contract it helps them use it for salary match in the offseason plus their first rounders to get another star player.

January 16

4 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

Can Grimes defend?

Yes, he's a good POA defender and can hit threes. I'd like him on this team for the right price.

January 16

21 minutes ago, warcore said:

I've also seen a Mark Cuban interview (or maybe it was a short) in which he talks about the Trae/Luka trade. From his perspective, he said he called the owner (Tony) directly and convinced him "hey comon' we know you want Trae and we want Luka and we'll give you a pick".

The way he puts it, Tony went behind Travis in that situation as well. But who knows -- that's just one side of the story.

Travis wanted Luka, Tony wanted Trae for $$$. It was a no brainer who was going to win that argument.

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