Sothron

January 16

6 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Man, reading through this thread today has been an experience to say the least. We do have assets, although middling.

Two draft picks this year. The pick swap in 2026 with San Antonio doesn't bother me too much either. It's not the end of the world. We can make some trades to get some first round picks for 2025 and 2026 potentially. They won't be unprotected like our front office did, but first round picks are much more valuable with the new CBA.

I honestly don't know how to fix this team. If the Hawks could some how get a competent big on both ends in one of these trades, that'll go along way with helping them. Also need some defensive talent in every position.

Trading Murray for KAT would have solved issues for both teams but that would have to wait until the offseason. Team is more interested I think in moving DJM now than later. I do think the idea is tank the rest of this season because we have a window for it and then use assets to upgrade the roster in the offseason.

January 16

The biggest problem we have is Tony Ressler. I have been saying this for years. He meddles in the basketball side. He won't pay the luxury tax. He fired Travis who at least was competent as a GM. He has created a FO where multiple voices are heard which to me is "too many chefs for the soup" approach to running a franchise.

None of that changes unless he sells the team. The only thing I like about him is that he does want to win but he thinks this team can win without paying the LT. It is just not going to work.

January 16

5 hours ago, Spacejam said:

So this post here you’re basically saying that the Spurs AREN’T one of the teams you’re hearing that has a trade offer for us… is that correct? They’re not currently in the picture?

Spurs have offers for Murray and capela

January 16

9 minutes ago, Phunkabilly said:

Is the current iteration of the trade at least better than the initial one you guys were hearing? If they made a big stink about so many teams being interested and then end dealing DM for junk, I'm going to be extremely irritated at this FO.

Yes, the interest in Murray around the league as well as the other offers for our other players has increased the value of the trade offers. I can definitely verify that.

I'll add this: if we had our own first rounders there's no question in my mind we would do a complete rebuild in the offseason. We do not have our first rounders so I don't see that happening. Unless we trade with the Spurs and get those picks back I just do not see it happening.

January 16

19 minutes ago, akay said:

If we're getting picks back, I hope it's because we have plans to flip them for productive players. We need some vets on this team

my guess: we get the picks, tank the rest of this season and use the picks in the offseason to bring in someone.

January 16

1 minute ago, capstone21 said:

Lame … what a waste

Not trying to bring anyone down or make folks upset but not going to sugar coat things either. I see that @Mikey is apparently hearing the same thing in terms of a return from his source.

January 16

On 1/11/2024 at 6:15 PM, JayBirdHawk said:

Number 10 on this list is who I desperately wnt the Hawks to trade for. We need glue guys that play their guts out on defense.

January 16

I honestly hope we can trade Bey before the deadline. I can't have someone that is not pulling their weight on either end of the court.

January 16

Updates:

Other teams jumped in on the 15th. We have a framework for a trade in place, just depends on the other team willing to pay the price for Murray.

Other teams jumped in on Murray as well as other players. I do not think hawks fans will love the return on the players I'm hearing the most about being moved (DJM, Capela, Hunter) because it definitely sounds like first rounders and not actual real talent is coming back in trades. More like expiring contracts tied to first round picks.

Late pushes include Detroit, Knicks, Nets, Kings and two teams not allowed to name in public.

January 15

4 minutes ago, HawksNWaffles said:

Dark tide?

The actual table top miniature game

January 15

The biggest Hawk problem is the one none of us can do anything about: Tony Ressler.

I will be playing Warhammer 40k all day with two buddies at my house. I will have my phone with me. I will update if I can but honestly my attention will be on trying to win Warhammer 40k

January 14

They won't do this but I would honestly ask the Spurs about a Trae trade instead of DJM trade. Get all our picks back plus some of the ones they own. Do a true rebuild with JJ sticking on the team.

Again, this isn't going to happen but it is what I would do. We've had six seasons to build a team around Trae and between Ressler's interference in basketball operations and refusal to pay the luxury tax look at what we have to show for it.

January 14

One of my sources told me during the hockey game that after tonight's game there was a huge meltdown from Ressler to the FO about the complete lack of effort. Source says Trae is now frustrated to the point that Ressler is worried he's going to ask for a trade out this offseason.

I am so glad I was not able to watch the last two games because I intentionally chose to support my local hockey team with season tickets and myself and Mrs. Sothron have a blast there.

January 14

At local hockey game is the game today delaying? Where are the posts?

January 13

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I am done with low BBIQ players.

It is funny, speaking of the Bud's Hawks, I still believe if we gave Horford the chance he would have put up some crazy efficient scoring for us with how smart he was at getting to good spots on the court for his shot. Using his body to free up shooters and little touch passes for a hockey assist as well. We miss that guy.

January 13

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

In this class, two players are far above to rest for what the Hawks need to be moving forward. That's Reed Sheppard and Zaccharie Risacher

I'd love to add them. I don't think people understand how far apart our current roster is from what Quin wants to do and his system. We need athletic players with higher BBIQ and a commitment to defense.

January 13

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He's gonna take some time like Haliburton did. He gonna have to adjust and he's not selfish so he wants to play the game, the right way.

Exactly. I love that kid. Give me a two way PG with hands and instincts like that any day of the week. I'm trying to find comparisons that aren't extreme in either way. Chris Paul with better shooting and not as good passing vision? Rondo with a jump shot and less flashy passing?

I hate the "you have to compare players by skin color" thinking with the NBA. Reed has a great mix of several guards in him.

January 13

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

If I am Quin, I'll trust myself.

Get Reed Sheppard and Ausar. Two kids who are relentless defenders who know how to play Basketball.

Get a big wing who can shoot threes and defend.

Keep JJ and OO. They are fine. I am okay with them long term.

Get rid of everyone else. They don't know how to play in a real system and they don't know how to play basketball outside of 12 but 12 is injury prone. Let him go shine somewhere else.

I'd add Bogi in the "knows how to play" but I'm fine with this. It won't happen. I realize now that people think everything I post is somehow from a source but it isn't.

My honest Hawks thoughts: I would have traded Trae after the All NBA season. I love Trae. But this team is not going to be able to put that other alpha guy next to him. I'd rather keep Murray with his size at PG on a good deal and trade Trae for a bonanza of players and picks. Build that way.

It won't happen but that's what I would do.

January 13

This is Tony Ressler wanting a more seasoned exec voice in the room. I don't think that's a bad thing.

January 13

4 hours ago, AHF said:

Not sure how many times I will repeat this but I love Sheppard. The issues for me are about team needs and fit. If there isn't a guy in the draft who fits our needs and has comparable talent then absolutely pull the trigger on him.

Your post mentions trading Trae to make room for Sheppard. That is fair because I think it is very likely that he and Trae would be too small (again) in the backcourt.

You've posted numerous times about how Quin's mission is to make the team longer and bigger. Sheppard doesn't do any of that. He makes the team smaller if he is playing the 2 and if he is backing up both guard spots then he is coming off the bench for you long-term which seems more of a luxury for this team which has huge needs in the frontcourt.

So, again, I'm almost always behind BPA for max value in the draft but this one is a hard fit assuming the team is building around Trae (and JJ, etc.).

The best thing abut him is his instinctual feel for the game. It lets him stand out on both sides of the ball even if he doesn't quite have his Dad's athleticism.

He would also be a legacy for us which would be fun.

home from hockey game, we won 4-3 btw, great game...

I was not referring to you @AHF I was talking about NBA fans in general and the experts sleeping on him. This kid has special ability written all over him.

My suggestion about the Hawks trading Trae and going after Reed are my personal opinions and are not in any way what the team will do. Travis got fired for two reasons and one of them was wanting to trade Trae. So that's not happening unless Trae demands a trade.

January 13

Posting at Columbus River Dragons game rn. Shock they are letting djm play

January 12

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I'll take Reed in a heartbeat. He just needs three years but in year 4, he will be amazing.

Kobe is basically a bad team stud. He will be our next Jason Terry

Reed is the rare once in a generational player that just needs time to adjust. A scheme like Quin is a perfect fit.

I will get stoned for saying this and I realize it won't happen but...

Reed has elite hands and shooting ability. He's a good passer. He's a good defender because his hands are f***ing amazing. He has the best defensive hands I've seen on a PG since Rondo. Always active. His footwork is terrific.

I would draft Reed and trade Trae for a long SG to put next to Reed.

Yes, I realize this won't happen. But good grief are people sleeping on Reed Sheppard.

January 12

This is what I get for being at work and not a paid "insider" @Mikey is scooping his own insiders

I'm hearing the 15th as well. Hawks have asked for final offers for DJM, Capela, Hunter, Bogi and AJ over the weekend. If nothing tops then a trade is expected on the 15th. I've heard Murray and possibly Capela this soon on the 15th with Dre coming later once he's healthy to resume playing.

January 12

3 hours ago, thecampster said:

I've shared this with the insiders. Take everything I say here with a grain of salt. Its an extension of what is written above.

Jalen is the only untouchable on the roster. Not because he's the best but because his cost to production value is off the chart. There is no way to get back Jalen level value at his salary.

Trae is untouchable 1a. But its not because he's untouchable. Teams would not give back enough value for Trae. They understand how he limits teams and he's techs/complaining have worn thin around the league and with officials. Trae is untouchable because you'd never get back = value.

The team would like to get back a good PF and slide Jalen to the 3. They believe his best value is at the 3 where he can overpower 1/2 of the 3's in the league. The team would like to get bigger (like 10lbs/2 inches per position) and that starts with Jalen over Dre. The interesting name I heard (and I heard several) was Marvin Bagley at the 4 next to Jalen. They think that's the kind of size/fit they'd like and they think Trae can bring out the best in a player like Bagley.

The team would be willing to slide BB back into the starting lineup at the 2 if the return on DJ is good.

The team would like to move on from Clint for a bigger, longer Center with potential. They would be willing to play OO at the center until the big center develops.

Short answer, if you hear a rumor about us acquiring an undersized player, its a lie. Quin wants length/size. He doesn't want another Philly/NY/Miami foul fest with no retribution.

I'd be very surprised if we don't acquire an enforcer.

Lastly, there is a possibility that for the right player, we spend that John Collins TPE. I really can't say more than that but that's on the table right now.

To echo what @thecampster said: Quin wants a different roster. There's simply no other way to say it. They want to get taller, heavier and flat out more physical as an entire team. This isn't the case of just swapping one guy for another. Quin believes Trae is such a dynamic offensive engine he can simply elevate players who are good on defense/iffy on offense to at least be good enough to win with because of the Trae effect.

The team wants real size and length back in any trade. I think they would ideally want to move Jalen to SF where he can flat out bully ball 70% of the SFs in the NBA if not more while also with his 40% or so 3pt shooting still provide spacing.

January 12

I really don't want Andrew Wiggins. I went through the Wiggins Experience in Minnesota before. One good to great game, three average to bad games and the cycle repeats. No thanks.

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