Sothron

Actually what I said was "This is the first time in a long time I'm felt this good about the team" so get your facts straight before you want to flame someone. That is a COMPLETELY different sentence and meaning than what you made up to fit a flame. I can not remember the last time I've felt this good about the Hawks. It was probably back in the "playoff guarantee" season.

That has nothing to do with "I HAVE NEVER FELT THIS BETTER ABOUT A TEAM". The last time I felt that was right before we traded 'Nique in 1994 and I thought, as did a lot of Hawks fans back then, that our team was going to finally win the ring.

Feel free to make up more crap though.

I've said this for too many years now: the national media loves to use Atlanta and its sports fans and the Hawks as a running joke and it will only stop when the Hawks win a title or at least become a consistent playoff team.

I might have to start eating more corn dogs durnig the week for lunch. It has been once or twice, might be more coming.

I think we are seeing Joe Cool emerge as one of the more respected and feared players in the league. His play on the summer team has IMO helped not just his confidence but put his face out there to be treated with more respect.

can we say record flip flop this was from the thread this afternoon were Softy and Texas made it sound like the Hawks had no chance of being decent and we pissed away our future with Billy.

In a matter of 5 hours one can go from complete wretched hate for the make up of the team to quote " Never felt better about a team"

What do you expect out of someone that in the thread said Billy has had six or seven years to turn this around? way to pay attentoin and welcome to the bandwagon, you sir are the first to hop on from the otherside.

He played very well. Lue and Joe Cool had I think 44 points between them. I felt sorry for Pookie trying to guard Joe.

I was jumping off my couch when we tied it up to send it to OT and was jumping up and down in OT. HUGE win. This is the first time in a long time I'm felt this good about the team. GO HAWKS!

Paxson was not the GM for all 7 years of their missing the playoffs. If Krause had not been an idiot the Bulls would right now be the best team in the NBA if Elton Brand was still there and with Ben Wallce on the team as it currently stands. I still can't believe they traded Brand away for Chandler because Brand was "only" a 20/10 PF.

I had two corn dogs for lunch at work and usually eat them at least once a week for lunch. Perhaps this magical consumption will see more wins this season...

I might be crazy but anyone who posts on this board is a Hawks fan. Anyone who cares enough to debate the team and its GM or coach or ownership is a fan. Some of us may like BK, some may not, but we are all Hawks fans. You don't get a special button for being a supporter of every single move we make nor do you get extra internet cool points for being proven right about a decision over the team.

And just for Dr. Z...kupo.

When I posted at realgm before it got banned by my workplace about how poor of a defensive player Paul is the posters would go, to excuse the phrase, apesh!t on me and flame me to a toasty kupo. Paul is simply a horrible defensive player whose small body and frame will always be a defensive liability. Contrast that with, say, Deron Williams who has a NBA body and is very good defensively. I would much, much, much rather have Deron Williams than Chris Paul or Marvin Williams (sorry Marv).

In the spirit of the new rules sticked at the top, please stop insulting each other and just argue your respective positions. I'd hate to see one of you get banned for flaming or have this thread locked for flaming.

FWIW I was, and still am, on the Deron Williams bandwagon. I wanted us to draft him second. He has outplayed Chris Paul to me so far in their careers since Deron can actually play defense and isn't small enough to just be pushed around like Paul routinely is.

And Knight's hands have been tied. The ownership won't spend over the salary cap and that was before the ownership fiasco. The only defense of Knight I will ever accept is in fact the ownership situation and its impact on his ability to alter the roster.

I agree, no excuse for not running on the treadmill or getting on the bike just to keep your game legs up.

lol yes, I suppose someone asking me to give a list of good general managers in my opinion and I comply can not possibly mean I provided a list of good general managers...in my opinion. What sillyness was I thinking.

And FWIW I think Gay will be an impact player for the Grizz.

Its very positive. One day my great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren will sit next to yours and watch the Hawks make the Finals and they'll all know it was made possible from the foundation of excellence laid down by Knight and Woodson.

Dumars has won a ring and was in position to win another. If you win the title you get to make a blunder or two.

I would kill to have the chance to use that as an excuse for Knight's blunders.

Well if it only took BK and Woodson 4 years to get over .500 after three games...in about 345 years we may be in the Finals.

Er, no guy, the first thing you asked was for examples of individual GMs that fit my "good gm" criteria and I gave you several of them. Don't go changing the questions because you can't handle the answers.

And again I ask you and the other guy who piped up, so what? Knight makes some mediocre draft picks while passing over better talent and that's supposed to be a good thing? I mean seriously. No one has said Knight has to make the perfect pick on every decision. That's not realistic. But when he has yet to get one pick right (Smoove) in relation to where it was taken...you have to start demanding better from your general manager. Especially when he knows as we do that the ownership situation keeps him from bringing in real free agents.

We as fans should demand more than a bottom five general manager.

Yes, I'd rather have taken a chance on POB than settling on an undersized and old (for a rookie) 23 year old with limited upside.

You want a list of good general managers? Jerry West tops that category. Greg Popavich would be second. Don Nelson Jr or whoever runs Dallas would be third. I love the job Charlotte has done in the draft and Orlando has two young studs in the making with Howard and Nelson. The Bucks GM has done a good job and isn't scared to make trades to bring in better talent. Jerry Colangelo is off to a good start in Toronto. The Phoenix GM is good. The Nets guy, Rod Thorpe? doesn't get enough credit. Kiki Vanderweighe did a good job in Denver. Joe Dumars has been very good in Detroit.

I can keep going here. There's at least twenty general managers in the NBA I would list above BK without breaking a sweat. The only GM I can categorically put below Knight is Isiah Thomas.

Knight has been here 2002. That is more than enough time to produce something more than the slideshow of 6'9" wunderkinds who can't even win thirty games. As Texas Pete and myself have said previously this man has blown picks by taking decent players when we could have had much better.

Mrhonline, I did not say the Joshes and Marvin were the absolute worst picks. Reread my post prior to this one. I said that just because he did NOT make the absolute worst picks does not mean he should be kept.

If peddling mediocrity is sufficient for most of you then Pete Babcock never should have been fired. Pete at least managed to put together 50+ win teams to his credit. Using the new Hawks fans criteria that should put him somewhere between God and Jesus.

I would have preferred Roy (much more) than Shellhead but I'm not willing to annoit Roy the next Wade. That's going too far with the small sample we have of him in the NBA.

Why not? He's 6'9" and can play either forward spot and can't pass. He'd be a perfect Knight lottery pick.

Mrhonline, you'll have to excuse me I expect more out of our general manager than "Well he didn't pick the absolute worst pick every single year, just near the bottom every year". When you have a general manager in what six years? seven? that can't put together a team that can surpass thirty wins more than deserves firing.

So at what point of passing over better players does BK need to reach in order for him to be fired? What's the magic number here? We've already seen Paul, Felton, Deron, Roy, Foye, Gay, Ellis, Deng, Igoudala (sp?) and who knows who else in just the last two seasons.

Knight will remain as long as the Atlanta Spirit is fighting wtih Belkin. Which may last until next season.

Wallace could intimidate the middle and rebound at an elite level and get a ton of blocks. If/When Williams plays at that level then we can excuse his putrid offense.