Sothron

May 16

I have not been giving the okay to say anything about Mitchell or Cleveland other than to say this. Read into or not into what you want.

May 15

My guess out of the three options I listed before:

We choose option #2. We keep Trae, we draft Sarr #1 and we move Murray to NO for BI.

Team outlook:

Trae/Kobe

Bogi/Kobe

BI/Hunter

Jalen/Sarr/Gueye (sorry if I spelled it wrong)

OO/Sarr

In that scenario I can see the coaches at least trying a frontcourt of:

Sarr

Jalen

OO

And based on matchups is where one player is listed at a position. Coaches usually consider your position what you guard so Jalen and Sarr would rotate on the wing while OO mans the center. It would gives us crazy length and switch ability on defense. Offense...it would be a problem but if Sarr can continue to develop his jumper like I think he can that could be a killer frontcourt combination...regardless of Ingram or Hunter.

If that front court worked could see them trying to put BI at the 2 and the length would be bonkers.

May 15

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

Is there ANY possibility of a deal for Giannis WITHOUT giving up Sarr?

None. The Bucks are not trading Giannis for just Jalen, two future firsts and salary. They would demand and get the #1 pick

May 15

Just now, KB21 said:

It will take more than just Keldon. Vassell works because his $29 million salary works. They will have to add salary to Keldon to make it work.

IIRC taking Vassell in a deal was not what SAS wanted to do. The salaries would end up matching to make things work. I remember Keldon Johnson's name being mentioned and then when I asked about Vassell I got the above answer. Then was told don't worry, they would just match salaries to make it work. So...other than Keldon Johnson coming back and Vassell apparently off the table I'm not sure who all that leaves but apparently whoever it would be is just there for salary reasons.

May 15

I will offer this:

We have one of the best coaches in the NBA and a great G league coaching staff as well. This staff at both levels have shown they can develop players. I feel very confident if the team decided to go a rebuild/retool approach that the coaching staffs would be an incredible benefit.

May 15

For those questions asked of me:

I just forgot to put Jalen in option 2 or 3, whichever one I forgot to list him in. My apologies, it was really late when I finally heard back from that source and could post about this. The only option on the table right now for Jalen to be traded is option #1, the Giannis trade. He would remain a Hawk otherwise.

For the salary matching purposes with SAS: they would include someone(s) just to make the salaries work. I heard Keldon Johnson name and frankly to me he's just a salary with a body attached. He has no appeal to me at all.

May 15

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis.

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source.

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

The longer version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

May 14

Just now, Wretch said:

Yeah......I'm probably gonna check out. I don't believe all the rumors, but something about all this doesn't sit right with me. I've spent way too much time on the Squawk these last couple of days anyway.

@Sothron, if I'm not lurking here... I'll hit you up on FB for updates you're allowed to share.

Always there for you, my friend. We need to hang out again, been too long!

May 14

The star in question is not KD

May 14

4 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Wait Trae met in Atlanta today? That makes no sense if the FO is at the combine

all this sounds really really fishy from “sources”

I didn't say that neither did my sources. They said Trae's already talked with the FO. This is 2024. They could have a Skype and have the same result for all I know.

May 14

1 minute ago, Dragitoff said:

yeah that might be worth it. We'd need hella shooters everywhere else, but it would certainly make up for our lack of defense. I'm drooling over the potential lineup of Giannis and Sarr manning the paint. Good luck scoring there.

You missed the part, I can't confirm if it was Giannis, but our #1 pick is going OUT in the proposed trade.

#1 pick in 2024

Jalen Johnson

Capela

two future firsts

for

superstar

May 14

1 minute ago, BangHolman said:

That package can only be for like 3 players.

I was asked to not repeat it. I don't know if @NBASupes wants to share the name or hold onto it because his sources asked for the same privacy.

May 14

I have heard that Trae has already told the FO to either make the team a contender now or trade him and he wants to go to the Spurs. I was told the Spurs are offering 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. I was told this is the most likely scenario because Tony Ressler doesn't want to give up our first ever #1 pick and wants to use it.

Trae hasn't talked about the #1 pick because he wants it used to get a superstar player, I've heard a name twice once from my source and once from @NBASupes but I don't want to repeat it out loud just yet until my source is cool with it. It would cost us the #1 pick, Jalen and two additional firsts and I think Capela to make it work.

IMO that's too rich. I'd rather blow this up and start over than depend on two or three guys carrying a roster. Look at the Suns or Nets and how well that turned out for them.

May 14

12 minutes ago, terrell said:

But no wingspan at all..

I'm a sucker for long arms.. lol

Yes, I wish he had longer arms but honestly he's already an elite shooter and has elite hands. If we blow the roster up and come away with Sarr, Reed and whatever at 8 then I would be happy.

May 14

For other guys at the combine results, Reed Sheppard had the highest vertical max at 42 inches. He's the 6'3" in shoes white kid that is simply amazing. If they blew up this roster and we could draft Sarr, Reed Sheppard and the best wing or another big at 8 I think that team could be exciting as living hell to watch.

May 14

It would be crazy on some level to me that if we draft Sarr, which we should do, we finally get Trae an athletic defensive big that can lob like crazy and also shoot ....and we trade Trae?

May 14

1 hour ago, deester11 said:

Are people really thinking Edey at close to 1? If you say lottery I see..but he and Clingan aren't close to intriguing enough to trade down or otherwise. Plodding centers (testing notwithstanding) are an eventual albatross. I say this because Sarr is or should be the play.

I'm not knocking anyone based off the testing. Some good things from Edey. But he nor anyone else moved me away from Sarr.

No one is taking Edey at 1. I am just tired of people just making up things about him. They just did the combine and Edey was really good.

May 13

36 minutes ago, KB21 said:

The guy is slower than shit and is completely unathletic.

You are categorical incorrect. He had great testing at the combine.

May 13

FWIW edey killed all of the drills. He is more athletic than Clingan and several other bigs.

May 13

Heard from another non Hawks source that is a league source. Source is convinced we are taking Sarr.

May 13

3 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Appreciate the response. These are rocky waters for sure. But in a good way. I guess I just can't fathom them believing in Trae +JJ + BI +10th pick as the future of the franchise but then getting the 1st pick and thinking we need to blow it up. I mean Trae + JJ + BI + 1st pick is better than Trae + JJ + BI + 10th pick. So that doesn't compute with me. Not saying you are wrong or anything. It's just that I don't understand the logic. Unless they don't actually believe in Trae +JJ as the current core. If that's the case, then we're in for a long few years.

EDIT: I'm obviously rooting for the last scenario. I'm pretty fired up about the potential of Trae / JJ / BI / Sarr as the future of the franchise. Add the potential of Kobe / Mo / etc.... and I think we could see a quick bounce back. Just don't give up on it yet.

It comes down frankly to one thing: if Tony Ressler believes this current roster + #1 pick or DJM trade return, current roster + #1 pick is worth paying the luxury tax. It truly begins and ends with that decision.

May 13

1 minute ago, REHawksFan said:

Have you commented yet on your intel with the BI trade now that the Hawks have the No 1 pick? Is that still on the table? Does the pick change the thought process? Sorry if I've missed it.

I probably need to put my updates out of this thread and back into the insider one, sorry.

I did comment on this before. Basically in short winning the lottery was nowhere near the team's radar. It has definitely changed offseason plans. The emphasis on scouting has obviously went up to make sure they make the right pick. There is real talk about the direction of the franchise because...I truly don't want to upset people but I have to be honest.

There's real talk about sending Trae to the Spurs for their picks in this draft plus our picks back. I do not know how likely it is. Our FO has went from thinking a BI trade and a "rotation player" at 10 was the most likely outcome this summer and Trae would still be here. Now there's real talk about how do they think this core team even with the #1 pick can really contend (also be worthy of paying the LT for) or do you pull the plug and start a true 100% rebuild with Sarr being the face of the rebuild.

If that were to happen, and again I am not advocating for it or saying it will happen, then there would be absolutely no reason to trade Murray for BI. If anything it would be more likely to keep Murray at PG and have him be the veteran leader of a rebuild around him.

If they decide to keep the pick and not rebuild then I imagine based on what I've heard before the lottery selection show and after it that the plan would be take Sarr at 1, keep Trae, flip DJM for BI and your team next year would look like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

BI/Hunter

JJ/Gueye

Sarr/whoever they keep between Capela or OO

Add in that above roster probably Dyson Daniels as well.

May 13

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

There is only one thing that can get me from 1-100 and it's the Atlanta Hawks.

Nothing else. Even my wife will easily confirm that.

This is the only product that can piss me off for days. Nothing else. I am even kneel as can be but with this organization. If you catch me at the wrong time, you could get the beats. And they don't ever get it right. That's what drives me crazy. Football is my favorite sport and the Falcons don't get me pissed anywhere near as much, ever. I can drop them like a bad habit. These Hawks are like a bad patch of crack and I am addicted to this garbage

I actualy feel the same way. I'm a nice guy, trying to put modesty aside, but I am a die hard basketball lifer and my heart belongs to the Hawks but all they do is screw up and break it. I get that.

May 13

3 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Ok draft the next Hasheem Thabeet. Have fun with that. Sarr's offensive game is really rough. According to synergy he misses >50% of his layups. Also, he is not a great rebounder. He has huge bust potential.

He was 18 playing in one of the best foreign leagues in the world. He just turned 19. He might be the fastest 7 footer I've ever seen. He has good basketball in. He has elite defense.

May 13

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Oddly enough, we knew that's where you would go. Y'all have officially broke me. I'm done.

don't let some speculation about things get you down. We just got the #1 pick for the first time EVER. It is a happy day for Hawks fans!

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