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There is no argument that can be won saying Trae is a better player today. That said, we are missing key players and we aren’t the Mavericks. Carlisle is a great coach, they have a “championship” culture. They also have guys who make open shots, Trae loses a lot of assists on missed wide open threes and our bigs missing easy opportunities at the rim.

Trae is never going to be a triple double machine, he’s a small guy. I think he will be a 25/10/4 guy who can control the game. He could score more than 25 ppg (and might based on offensive pace), but we need other guys to score too. He already is and will continue to be a clutch player. That bodes will for future playoff success.

Like most said, I agree that Trae understands where we are now in the rebuilding process. He believes in himself though and will still expect to win. I like that a lot. 

The city is starting to get behind him and he’s loving it. I haven’t been to a game yet this year, but it’s obvious on TV. A MVP chant? Joe and Al probably have three of those combined during their time here. He is always playing the underdog/everyone doubts me role, what better team to play for than the Hawks? I think Trae and the Hawks are a perfect match.

Well, at least it isn’t the worst case scenario. Still doesn’t sound great and it will be hard for him to shoot for awhile. Hopefully he is only out for a month or so and can return with John Collins and be another Christmas present for us.

He’s pressing, but he has only played 8 NBA games. I think between Collins being out and him being one of our players playing “PG” with Trae and Turner out, he’s just trying way too hard. Hunter is a lot older and makes rookie mistakes, but he’s doing a great job of playing within the flow of the game. Reddish has at times, and that is when he’s effective.

Luckily the NBA season isn’t 162 games like baseball. Can you imagine losing 62 games (despite winning 100) and seeing some of the reactions on here? We sucked, it happens...

They probably celebrated a big win last night a little too much. It’s going to be up and down for us, but don’t get caught up sulking in the down. Enjoy the long term process and move on to the next game. We are young and our true victories this season will be seeing individual growth in our young players and hoping that the team can push for a 7/8 playoff spot. I’ll worry more about these games when we are actually playing for a 1-4 seed.

In all honesty, this sucks, but Dec. 23 isn't that far away. I think this is the part of the season we thought we would lose a lot of games anyways, so the rookies and Jabari will have an opportunity to step up some more. 

Has anybody actually ever won an appeal for something like this?

I like the early takes, but so much changes throughout the season. Players start the season motivated and healthy, so we see the best of a lot of them (effort wise, results vary). Once we hit game 30 we won’t have these hot takes. Who is still hungry, who is still healthy, etc..

It is fun to see the early drama in the league though.

Just boxscore watching, but it looks like Drummond, Rose and Kennard had some good games. Should be a nice road win for them to start their season. I spent a few years living in MI, so a victory against them is always a little extra nice. Not much traveling involved from Indy, but hopefully they are a little tired. 

Sure Baze, whatever you say. The funny thing is he was actually playing really well until he got hurt at the end of December. After he came back from his injury he was awful. It really just sounds like he’s spinning it in his favor. I’m sure during his rehab he was playing with Portland (after he traded himself to them) in NBA 2K to help make his fantasy a reality...

I'm going with 36-46, with us playing much better in the second half again. 

1 - We will miss the playoffs by 6 games
2 - No All-Stars (I think Trae could sneak in as a replacement if somebody gets hurt though)
3 - DeAndre Hunter will be our lone All-Rookie
4 - Trae with the most points scored
5 - Vince for the minutes

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

The biggest problem I have is that this team was deliberately sabotaged by upper management.  Don't know who made the call but hopefully it wasn't Schlenk.  They knew we needed help in the front court but chose not to address the need at all in free agency when they clearly could have.  When your only 2 free agent signings are Jabari Parker and Vince Carter while being under the salary cap, you are not trying to win.  I can accept losing  in spite doing every thing possible to win but this isn't the case with the 2019-20 Hawks

There wasn’t a realistic move that we could have made that would have made us championship contenders this year. The point isn’t spending money to only be a tough out in the first round. 

I came in here to post that Collins and Trae have been named to the 2019 USA Basketball Select Team (link below) and saw some GT talk instead.

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The triple option had its limitations for sure, but it wasn't the sole reason Tech didn't win a championship.  Regarding the QB comments, name me the last time GT ever had a QB make a huge NFL impact? Even under all of our "pro-style" offenses, it was hard to get that type of player here. So I get why they went with a unique offense to help create and advantage since we weren't getting those top players. With that said, outside of Nesbitt (who was already there) and Thomas, Paul did a poor job getting impact QBs in the system.

No matter what type of system you run, if the other team has better players (especially physically better) it is hard for you to do much of anything. A lot of the games where the offense looked bad, teams with dominant defensive lines were running straight through our blockers, around the blocks, and living in our back field. Paul Johnson had some really good teams and did a lot of good at GT. Either way, his offensive style and personality didn't really mesh well with what high schoolers are looking for these days. It was a good time to get a younger personality in who can relate to these younger kids and hopefully improve our recruiting. Like @kg01 said above, if Collins has more success it won't be because of the offense. It'll be because we have a more balanced team (offense AND defense) and comparable talent to the Clemsons of the world. 

2 hours ago, enrique said:

That's fair enough! I am a bit cynical on him right now. I'll keep an open mind!

I didn’t see how he looked yesterday, but somebody did post a video on here recently of him working out with our training staff. So he’s at least sort of trying. 

3 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

If I was his coach I wouldn't have him shoot a three all year. Just bull your way down low and throw it down. He's a load down there, he's going to get plenty of calls too.

Can’t disagree there. I do think with the way the game is played, he’s going to still work on his long range game in hope to open up more on the inside. Especially since it’s a development year and the wins aren’t aren’t the main priority. They just need to make sure it’s very limited.

6 minutes ago, hawkman said:

They need to finalize this trade so the Hawks can get their new toys on the court. This year's Summer League has been lame so far. The most exciting thing about this Summer League is the earthquake. In defense of Zion, 11pts in 9 minutes ain't bad for a "fat" man. His strength and athleticism are elite. He will be fine after he gets his shot mechanics straight.

I didn’t see much of the game, but the ESPN headline was something like “Zion dazzles in debut”. Then I saw he was 4-9 shooting, three boards, and missed all of his threes. Not hating on him, but they really tried to spin it. 

5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

So are Hunter and Bruno playing today? Any word on that yet?

I’m guessing no. Still haven’t seen anything “welcoming” them to the Hawks and the game starts in 1.5 hours. I’m hoping we do but it’ll be a pleasant surprise if it happens. 

Welp, so much for that market. I’m glad he isn’t coming here though. I’d like to see him have a full season of healthy ball before we entertained this type of idea.

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

True story. Why am I even posting with my dumb face. , avatar face .. Ha ha . Burner accts unite!!!!

Seriously a great day for the league. Clippers and Nets up and Lakers and Knicks down. Well, Lakers not totally down but a big hit.

Love it. I can easily root for Kawhi and PG13. If you asked me which two non Hawks are my fav in the league.. Kawhi and PG13 could be 1,2 or 1,3. 

Billy Crystal>Jack Nicholson 

Well maybe not but today  

I’m just really glad Leonard went to the Clippers and not the Lakers. The dude doesn’t need LeBron to win championships. The East is wide open now, especially with no KD next year followed by a KD who still won’t be at full strength the following year. Philly and Milwaukee are at the top, but even Milwaukee lost Brogdon and I worry some about the health of the Horford/Embiid front court.

3 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Help!  I just read that the Hawks also get the draft rights to pick #17, guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker in the Prince deal..

First time I had heard this.  Is this someone drafted and stashed over seas or what?

The 17th pick was part of the package to move up to number 4. He won’t be a Hawk!