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YES!!! Ivan f'n Johnson. Len needs some of that enforcer in him.

If only Len had a little Zaza in him. Or what was that other dude's name? The guy that looked like he was 40 yrs old. Damn I'm getting old. 

Just now, Marvin24Williams said:

I don't either but that was just a terrible shot. He had no separation whatsoever

There was what 3 sec left? What do you want him to do?

1 minute ago, Bonkers said:

Honestly this is what I hate about this Hawks team

 

Smart shoulda been on the floor after that

 

I HATE THIS SOFT p*ssy ASS SHIT

 

Those were my words exactly. Len is a freakin p**** for not standing up to Smart. If I was Trae I'd be livid

Trae is just unreal. 

Heurter ain't gonna even THINK about passing out to Trae. SMH

Definitely gonna need 40 from Trae to win. 

1 minute ago, hawkman said:

Good challenge by LP.

I was screaming "challenge it" at my TV. LOL

Diggin this Goodwin dude. Plays smart and tough on both ends. 

Just now, hawkman said:

I noticed that missed free throw that came right to him. He made ZERO effort to secure the ball. ZERO. Completely unacceptable. 

Right? And of course Hayward hit a wide open 3 immediately. 

I'm so over the Heurter experiment. Damn. No D. No effort to get a reb that literally comes right to him. Inconsistent shot to boot. 

Gotta love the step back 2 from Heurter.  Such a high % shot.

Just awful. Get Trae back in the game. These fools acting all nonchalant and turning it over every other possession.

4 minutes ago, txsting said:

I think we're far enough down the road that we are ready to take on another championship caliber piece, and ready and willing to pay the price.  But I don't think Drummond is exactly that type of player or piece.  I don't picking up good players from perennial losers is the way forward.  We need winners.  I'm not sure he's worthy of mortgaging the draft for.  I guess if you can get him for expirings and second rounders it could help.

I rather be swinging for a player like KAT rather than a half-measure like Drummond.  

I'm not married to Drummond. But his type of player. That is...a vet, on a short term deal that can contribute. It's baby steps forward. Get better with every deal. 

This type of deal isnt going to mortgage the future. We are talking about expiring contracts, 2nds, and MAYBE the Bkn pick. 

53 minutes ago, txsting said:

I've been  turning this idea over and over.  Yes, it's enticing, but I think a move like this is shortcutting the process, something Schlenk was adamant he would not do.  

At this point this season is shot.  If you take Drummond on now, you probably lose 5 spots on your own draft pick and you probably have to give up the Nets mid-round pick.  That is too much.  If we want him, then go to free agency and compete for him there.  Drummond is not a big enough prize given the risk.

I think there are some game changing centers in the draft and we need to stay high in the draft, as much as that sucks right now.  Trae needs to understand that.  We must take one more big swing in the draft.  After that, screw the draft, that part of the rebuild is over.  Future draft picks are now put in play trying to do a big deal.  Cap space is used to swing hard in free agency.  Young assets who may end up being excess to requirements become trade bait.

STAY THE COURSE

To the contrary a move like this one IS the course. They have to acquire players. There aren't any in FA. They can trade their exporing contracts (assets) for a veteran player or players.  Doing it now allows them to assess fit and decide of these vets should be a part of the future. 

Bonus: none of these players impact the 2021 cap when all the elite players will be available. This TYPE of deal is exactly what the Hawks need to do. It IS staying the course.

Just now, terrell said:

I really cant see Travis trading anything of significance for Drummond. IM coming to my senses. .lol. He could jUst wait until FA if he wants him..PR move? lol

Well there's no use for Drummond once he hits FA. No one wants him then. His value is in the next 16 months while his contract is still in effect. Think of it this way.....it's trading Chandler who largely sits on the bench or Turner who bitches and causes problems for 1.5 seasons of legit Center play.  It's a no brainer as long as they don't have to include any young players or prime picks. 

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

I've been searching for trades that fit these criteria, lot harder than expected. But saw an article that Detroit maybe 'open to new direction'

Crabbe ($17 mil) for Tony Snell ($12 mil, player option next season), + filler.

Snell can defend and is shooting 42% from 3 this season on 4 attempts. He can replace Bembry next season.

Here's some Centers that would qualify (Contract ends after 20-21 season):

Drummond - Det - 28 yrs old - UFA

Dieng - Min - 30 yrs old - UFA

Adams - OKC - 28 yrs old - UFA

Mo Bamba - Orl - 23 yrs old - RFA

Zach Collins - Por - 23 yrs old - RFA

Jarrett Allen - Bkn - 23 yrs old - RFA

Willie Caulie-Stein - GSW - 28 yrs old - UFA

Any of those of interest? 

21 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Since, many say, KAT is a super star, it stands to reason that he will lead his team to the playoffs and into the NBA finals.  Tell me, why do the Timberwolves want to lose their ticket to the possibly championship?  There has to be a flaw in someone's thinking.

I missed where LBJ single handedly led the Cavs to a title. Or KD single handedly led OKC to a title. Or any number of superstars that did it by themselves. In today's era of super teams, it is not enough to have a single superstar. You have to have multiple PLUS solid role players. So I'm not buying your logic that KAT isn't elite because he hasn't won a title and isn't taking his crap team to the playoffs this year. 

BTW.....is Trae elite? Cuz he sure as hell ain't taking this crap roster to the playoffs or a title this year. The logic is faulty gramps.

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Only 1 problem with your theory ....Towns isn't a superstar.

Depends on how you define superstar. It's quite subjective. I tend to agree that KAT is one rung or half rung below a superstar but then I generally define superstar as the Top 4-5 players in the league that also have that outside buzz or excitement about them (highly subjective I know).  

Anyway, I think KAT is easily a Top 10 player in the league but he probably doesn't have that buzz around him that others do, but that could just be because he plays in small market Minnesota.

In terms of quality of player, the only guys - to me - that are CLEARLY better than he is are (no particular order):

Giannis

LBJ

AD

Kawhi

PG

Harden

I put KAT in a group with Dame, Embiid, Luka, Trae, and Butler as elite players but not quite superstar level yet. 

All that said, KAT is, imo, close enough to superstar level that the trade makes sense to me. I'd do it in a heartbeat. JC, Kev, either Cam OR Hunter plus picks and it's a done deal for me. 

1 hour ago, JTB said:

That’s the tough part about being a nba gm...these decisions can make you or break you in this league 

This type of deal should be the easy one imo. Trading for an elite superstar in his prime with 4 yrs left on his deal is the very definition of low risk. I would argue it's virtually impossible to give up too much in that kind of deal.

It's also virtually impossible to look like a loser in the minds of the fans as everyone would see you are trying by trading for a superstar.  

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

True, we don't know for sure that JC is a "winning" player.  However, KAT has certainly never proven to be a "winning" player either.  We'd be giving up more than we'd get back for sure.  KAT, like Collins has never been able to carry a team anywhere.  Production-wise, KAT is not that far above JC.  Besides, I doubt KAT would want to go from a semi-decent team in MIN for a team with one other star and and a bunch of scrubs in ATL, that mortgaged their future to get him.

Several issues with this take.

1.  Would we really be giving up more than we get back? The hypothetical deal is JC, Kev, and Cam plus 2 lotto protected picks. Of that haul, only JC is anywhere close to a proven player in the NBA. And he's not nearly as dynamic or elite at KAT. 
2. KAT also hasn't ever had a PG like Trae to play with. In year 2, Trae is already a top 3 PG in the NBA. He's only getting better. 
3. I respectfully disagree that KAT isn't that far above JC.  KAT is a career 22 / 12 guy. Outside of his rookie year, he's basically been a 25 / 12 with 1.5 blocks. This year, he's shooting 51%+ from FG and 41%+ from 3PT and he's a 83% FT shooter. He's avg 26.5 pts / 11.7 reb / 4.4 ast.  JC has NEVER approached any of those numbers in the NBA. 
4. That's kinda the point of the hypothetical deal. ATL wouldn't be mortgaging the future at all. They'd still have Trae, KAT, Hunter, and their likely Top 5 (maybe Top 2) 2020 pick (think Anthony Edwards). Not to mention trading for KAT would not hurt the cap in any major way. 

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Yup.  Somebody's gonna gut their team like the Knicks did for sMelo.  Then we'll all start to realize Kitty's not a winning player.

Now I gotta log out.  I'm pretty sure saphron just hurled one-a his pennyloafers at me.

I mean.....do we really know JC is a "winning" player? And besides, giving up JC, Kev, and Cam plus expiring contracts isn't exactly "gutting" the team when they keep their 2020 top 5 pick and most of their cap space. You'd have Trae, KAT, Hunter, and 2020 pick as the new core plus have the ability to build off that. Sure, it would be better to have Trae, KAT, and JC but that ain't happening. And really, the former probably isn't happening either, but it's fun to dream. 

2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Still want Trae and JC together here as Hawks. A charismatic tandem. Will add Goodwin to the list so we have 48 minutes at point covered which I think he does. Hoping the mission for a vet backup PG is not needed now. KAT has two thirds of the pro game down pat but still would not give up our Trae to JC highlights as part of a package for him. Maybe some other combo since he does has length on his contract.

Outside of Trae, JC is the only established NBA player on the Hawks roster. I can't imagine Minny giving up a superstar-ish player and not receiving any established NBA players in return. To be completely honest, I'm not sure the BR deal above would be enough for Minny to pull the trigger, even though I think it's more than fair. 

From Bleacher Report:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869094-trade-packages-and-landing-spots-for-timberwolves-star-karl-anthony-towns

Timberwolves Receive: PF John Collins, SF Cam Reddish, SG Kevin Huerter, SG Allen Crabbe, 2020 first-round pick (lottery-protected via Brooklyn Nets), 2022 1st-round pick (lottery-protected via Oklahoma City Thunder)

Hawks Receive: C Karl-Anthony Towns

When trying to get a player like Towns, only franchise point guard Trae Young should be off the table for Atlanta.

The Hawks have one of the best young cores and draft-pick compilations in the NBA despite owning the league's worst record at 7-27, and they could become a serious playoff threat in the East next season. Pairing Young and Towns would be a dream scenario, especially if they couldkeep 2019 No. 4 overall pick De'Andre Hunter between them. 

Of course, this would mean gutting the rest of the young core, including Collins (18.3 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 36.8 percent from three), Reddish (8.1 points, 3.8 rebounds, 1.0 steals) and Huerter (9.8 points, 3.3 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 34.8 percent from three). All are between 20 and 22 years old and would give Minnesota a terrific young core alongside Andrew Wiggins and Jarrett Culver.

Crabbe carries an expiring $18.5 million salary, and two first-round picks (including one from Brooklyn that should convey near the middle of this summer's draft) would help the Timberwolves add even more young talent.

The Hawks would get to keep all their own picks while maintaining max cap space this summer. Atlanta should already be an attractive destination simply for the chance to play with Young, and adding Towns for recruiting efforts should help seal some deals.

The two young stars could play together as some of the NBA's top players for the next decade.