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  1. Zaza and Dirk are completely different players. Zaza is an interior player - he does not have a reliable jumper, he does not handle the ball particularly well, and he is not likely to "blow-by" the vast majority of starting power forwards in the NBA.

    He is a nice young player with limitations, nothing more.

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    Seems as if Ex - Atlanta Hawks are going to the finals,

    one way or another.

    Most NBA players are VERY good, regardless of who they

    play for. If they weren't good, they couldn't stay

    in the NBA. Someone with more talent would push them

    out.

    Not all shoes fit everyone's feet. Not all players fit

    with all the NBA teams. When you find a real fit,

    whether it's shoes or players, it's great !!!

    These two ex-Hawks found a fit for themselves.

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    Exactly, and in Diaw's case, he needed a very specific system in order to really even give an effort.

    I'm sure I'd be far less bitter about it if a) the players themselves were not incredibly rude to the franchises they leave, and b) the media didn't use it as an excuse to bash the poor Atlanta franchises (and fans.)


    I think the system helps Diaw in Phoenix but more then anything with him was getting comfortable and having a level of confidence in his game. He didn't have that in Atlanta, but he has it in Phoenix. Even still, you could always see the talent was there in his sporadic time with the Hawks.

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    For instance, let's take the stance some have on getting a so called pure point guard. Joe Johnson is a terrific playmaker and is a lot better when the ball is in his hands than he is off the ball. Why would we diminish his overall impact and effectiveness on the game by taking the ball out of his hands and putting it into the hands of a point guard simply because he is considered to be a "pure" point guard? It makes very little sense. Joe Johnson is one of only 5 players in the entire NBA that averaged over 20 points per game and 6 assists per game this past season. In all five instances, the players basically played the role of the point guard in the half court settings of their offense. Would you take the ball out of the hands of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Allen Iverson, and Gilbert Arenas simply because they aren't traditional point guards? Somehow, I don't think so. So, why should the ball be taken out of Joe Johnson's hands? It shouldn't. The only thing we need at the so called point guard position is a guy that can help Joe get the ball up the court, play off the ball, and hit the open jumper. That's why Brandon Roy is a good fit for a back court mate to Joe Johnson. He brings good ball handling skills, good decision making, good vision, and good size to the position. The other two guys that fit this position are Ronnie Brewer and Randy Foye, IMO. With Marcus Williams, you have a guy who is much better at making decisions with the basketball than he is at playing off the ball, and putting him in the same back court will diminish the return you get on either him or Joe.


    The Suns took the ball out of JJ's hand when they signed Nash and don't seem to be regretting that decision.

    JJ is extremely talented, but until he leads the team to some wins he is just another talented player on a bad team. LeBron, Wade, AI and even Arenas have lead teams to the playoffs. As soon as JJ does that then you can compare him to those guys, but that day has not come yet.

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    How could anyone support taking Shelden Williams or Patrick O'Bryant over Tyrus Thomas? It's completely unfathomable in my mind. If, by some miracle, Tyrus Thomas is on the board when the Hawks pick, there's no question that he is the player they should pick. The gap between him and the two players mentioned above is so incredibly large, there is simply no justification for passing on him to take one of those two. That's a Pete Babcock move.


    Agreed, you take Thomas and try and trade the redundant assets to fill the holes in the roster.

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    What I found interesting is that both Bickerstaff and Colangelo talked about adding talent regardless of position. This is exactly what BK has been saying, yet we roast him for it. Seems like BK has the right idea considering the majority on this board likes what Colangelo and Bickerstaff have done.

    What is interesting is that Roy seems to be moving up into the top 3 positions, but that might be hyperbole on their parts. Aldridge seems to be dropping some as well. It could be that he falls to the Hawks at the 5 spot.


    It is equally interesting that Colangelo and Paxson mentioned they they do not necessarily need to get younger and that in drafting duplicate players they may be willing to trade off some of their redundant assets (i.e., the Raps would trade Charlie V. if they drafted another forward; the could move Chandler if they trafted Thomas).

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    I hope to god that this thread doesn't have to be used after the draft lottery. But just in case here it is.


    What is with all the whining? The Hawks got the second pick in the draft last year and were able to take the player many "experts" consider to have the most "potential" in the entire draft.

    Didn't the Hawks get exactly what they wanted last year? Are we really crying in our cereal because the Hawks did not draft Bogut?

  7. If you have listened to what Steve Nash has said during their playoff run this year he said they are less talented then a year ago (i.e., with JJ and Amare) but play better as a team.

    To me, that is everything. Great teamwork can overcome a collection of talent any day. That is why teams like the Knicks suck and teams like Phoenix are so good.

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    I don't think it discourages anything.

    When the stakes are higher next year, let's see this discouragement in action.

    Let's see how many starters for teams not making the playoffs are all the sudden on the bench with back spasms or a knee ache or an ingrown toenail or something or my favorite dnp-coaches decision.

    They should have a dnp-GM decision...

    If you don't think there's tanking, check the record of the Spurs before they got Duncan. They visible tanked and was rewarded for it.


    I am sure San Antonio had David Robinson fake that injury . . .

  9. Assuming the Hawks do not get a top 3 pick, if you had to choose between the two which would you rather have: Josh Childress or the pick (whether it be 4, 5 or 6)?

    I think Childress is a good player who would do well as a starter, probably not a star, but a good player who does things that help his team win games. I am not so confident in the abilities of this years draft class, so personally I value Childress higher then a non-top 3 pick. My only reservation is the obvious - i.e., the glut of small forwards currently on the roster.

    What do you guys think?

  10. Only time will tell. But what if the 2005 draft parallels the 1999 draft where Charlotte took stud college point guard Baron Davis and passed on high school phenom Jonathan Bender, whom Indy took two picks later?

    Now, Baron is a little overrated but he certainly has more value then Bender.

    A bigger problem with your analogy is that in 1995 while Stoudamire was an experienced college player, Garnett was a high schooler. In 2005, Paul came out after his sophmore year, and is only a year older the Marvin, who had the benefit of playing a year of college ball - rather then being a totally green high schooler.

    Point is, we do not know.

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    Morrison's a good player. also the #1 thing he brings to the table is what the Hawks need the most.... the burning desire to win no matter the cost. this team just doesn't have it.

    unfortunately Billy's poor drafting (IMO) has cornered us into not being able to even look at the guy.


    The funny thing is that some of the people that bash Morrison are the same people who think Bargnani should be the pick. The thing is, neither is a great athlete by NBA standards and other then a few inches in height, they are similar players with similar skills.

    I would happily take the shorter player if he plays with heart over the taller guy that does not play with heart. Not saying Bargnani does not have heart - impossible to tell from the limited exposure most of us have of his game - but just something to think about.

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    No knock on Bargnani or nothing... and i have to admit, i never seen the guy player (excluding short highlight clips).

    *btw, highlight clips mean absolutely nothing. anyone could look good on highlights. hell, i bet half of us would look like really good prospects if we gather a highlight reel for ourselves.

    but back to my point. while i dont know much about this kid, comparing the best Euro prospect to Dirk every year has to stop.

    i honestly believe DIRK is a top 5 player in this league. The MAVs see him as UNTOUCHABLE. The guy has an effortless release and is a sharpshooter (regardless of his height).

    he, similar to LEBRON, is a freak of nature. 7 footer doing the things he does.


    I agree, it is unfair to compare anyone to a player the caliber of Dirk, just as it is unfair to compare another player to LeBron.

    The Dirks and LeBron's of this world are the exception, not the rule.

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    To be honest, if we somehow moved down with like NOH then I'd strongly have to consider a combo of Shelden and Rondo or O'Bryant and Rondo.


    I think that would be a great move. Realistically, none of the guys in this draft seem like franchise players so might as well fill some needs with some very athletic, talented players with excellent upside.

    If both those guys developed into contributors the Hawks defensive shortcomings would be a thing of the past. JJ, Smoove and Marvin presumably could handle the load offensively.

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    I think we will see more production from ZaZa when he gets some help underneath. If JJ does imcrase his numbers, that's probably not a good thing for us.


    Could not agree more. If JJ's numbers increase dramatically it likely means none of the young players are filling Al's void (assuming Al is no longer with the team). Now, if the team is winning that is not such a bad thing but if they are not improving in the win column then that is not a good thing.

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    You are crazy. Ben Wallace is exactly the type of guy the Hawks need.


    Oh yeah just what we need. To overpay for a guy that would not make us anything more than fringe playoff team for 3 years before his age and money made him consider retirement.


    Dude, if the Hawks don't acquire someone with some interior defense skills like Ben Wallace they won't even be a fringe playoff team. Consider this years playoff teams - those teams that have advanced out of the first round relied heavily on veteran players - i.e., guys older then 30.

    Do you think it is a coincidence that the Clippers started to win when they brought in veterans Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley? Do you think the Cavs where smoking something when they brought in a veteran like Donyell Marshall? Was Detroit just lucky to win with an experienced roster?

    Think about it.

    Maybe the Hawks are not at the point yet where they want to think about winning, but they need to make that mental adjustment in the next year or two.

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