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    Someone made a very good point the other day. People complain about how small we will be down low if Marvin/Smoove play downlow but the fact of the matter is people are exaggerating how small they are.

    Here's the thing 6'9 is not that small, and seeing that these guys are still kids it is very likely that one of them or possibly both could still be growing. I myself, put on an extra inch before my 20th birthday and Marvin could do the same. Smoove could grow before his 21st. You can still grow until you are 25 years old, believe it or not.

    So it's very possible that either Smoover or Marvin could reach 6'10, hell one of them could already be 6'10. Maybe both.

    Add the fact that they both will be hitting the weights, and it makes it an even bigger exaggeration of how small we would be with one of them playing down low.


    Maybe, but likely not. Most people I know where done growing at 17-18. They could have a David Robinson like growth spurt but I wouldn't count on it.

    Plus, both measured in at around 6'7" without shoes at their official weight-ins so they have a ways to go.

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    20 PPG his rookie year? Yeah maybe if he plays the Toronto Raptors for 82 games. You have to be kidding me with that number. This guy's game will transition to the next level better than Redick's but not THAT much better.


    Why is that? Carmelo averaged 22 at syracuse, then went on to average 21 as a rookie in the pros. Morisson averaged 28 in college, with every other team focused exclusively on stopping him, but it's impossible for him to average 20 in the pros, even if he goes to the right situation? I don't see why. The man is a natural born scorer.


    I think Carmelo is a good comparison to Morrison. Carmelo really is not that athletic by NBA standards. The big difference is Carmelo did that as a freshman so there was obvious room for growth. Not sure if Morrison will make the transition as well as Carmelo but don't think there is a huge athletic gap between the two. Plus Morrison definitely has a better, more consistent shot.

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    That is exactly my point!!!

    You think Boston is kicking itself for trading Joe Johnson in year 1? I know they are!! They traded away a potential superstar in JJ. It took at least 3 years before JJ started realizing his talents. And some you fools are talking about trading away Marvin and Salim year 1. I guarantee if that were to happen (It won't...BK is not that stupid) those same fools would be on this forum talking about we should have kept them a few more years before trading them.

    It is just very dumb and stupid to trade a player year 1 in any professional sport and BK knows this.

    If we trade Marvin they need to move this team to another city, because we will never build anything worth looking at. The Marvin evaluation talk shouldn't start until AFTER year 3.


    Poor Celtics fans. They gave up on Chancey Billups in his first year as well.

    Utah may be over the Dominique trade by now.

    There are, however, legions of examples where young guys were traded and the team that gave them away are no worse off. Think the Clippers really miss Darius Miles? Is Vancuver really pissed about jettisoning a young Antonio Daniels? Is Chicago really pissed about trading away Eddie Curry? Does Golden State regret trading Billy Owens for Mitch Richmond? Did Indiana do well by trading the Antonio Davis for a draft pick that ended up being Johnathan Bender?

  4. This is the kind of stuff that really scares the crap out of me about Bargnani. There are so many conflicting reports from reputable and non-reputable sources it is hard to get a real feel for what his game is like. If he is a perimeter player I don't care if he is 8' tall, he makes no sense for the Hawks.

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    That's the status of the NBA today . . . . it is built on projects. And everyone says that guys will be two, three projects, but that is a substantial portion of the entire league. Whether he is an option for us will be his team workouts and where we pick.


    Agree completely that the NBA is all about projects these days - the marketing people should really think about contacting Home Depot since there are some obvious synergies between the two businesses.

    From a fans perspective, I really do not like the idea of so many young "projects" being in the NBA. I really wish guys like Marvin Williams and Josh Smith would go to college and play at least three years before going pro. There are the obvious exceptions like LeBron, but we have to remember he is the exception and not the rule.

  6. No question he had the better year, and really no doubt he should be picked much higher. I guess my impression of Aldridge was really affected by that LSU game.

    O'Bryant is a big time project and risk pick, but he does posses the size and athleticism that the Hawks need. Whether that size and athleticism translates into some semblance of production is unknown.

  7. My big concern with Splitter is the rumors about his buyout - will he actually be available to play next season? If not, I would pass on him in favor of O'Bryant.

    I definitely liked what I saw of O'Bryant in the tournament. Granted it is very small sample set but outside of Noah, Big Baby and Thomas there wasn't a more impressive big man. Aldridge looked decidedly mediocre.

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    Yeah I guess that may be true. Not sure how to approach this situation. I guess I've just never been a fan of Marion b/c I don't really like his game but he is obviously productive. Just like Richard Jefferson, they are wing players which is something that we actually DO have and I really don't want to give up on them yet. I also don't want to pay 10-13 Million to either. I'm assuming Phoenix wants to save money by moving Marion so that cancels out Harrington. I surely don't want to take on salary by taking Marion so that cancels out that idea. I'd strongly consider Harrington/Salim for Marion but that's it. I'd rather look at other options. If we are getting another wing, he must be able to handle the ball. Richard Jefferson > Marion there.


    I agree that it does not make a whole lot of sense to trade for Jefferson or Marion given that the team already has depth at forward. That said, both are very good players and if we did trade them I would not be adverse to trading one of the young guys to fill the remaining holes in the roster.

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    What's amazing is while he gets accused of not passing the ball, he still has games where he has 10-15 assists. I think it's more of a point of him not having anyone he trusts to pass the ball to. If the shots aren't dropping, he gives it up.

    Chillzatl, have you heard anything to show any validity to the Hawks even having a resonable shot at getting Iverson or whether or not they're seriously entertaining this?


    People said the same thing about Jason Terry before he was run out of town.

  10. I say no. Iverson is a great talent but what is the point of adding him when it would still leave the team bereft of an inside presence?

    Plus don't you think he would get a little cranky with the growing pains of the young players? Also, Josh Childress is the exact type of complimentary player you want to have playing with AI, so giving him up in the deal would not make alot of sense.

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    I SERIOUSLY doubt that we could get RJ for Al, but if that was truly possible I wouldnt even have to think for a second about the deal. RJ would instantly improve our defense by leaps and bounds and we would be a much better up tempo team with him than with Al. There are plenty of minutes at the 3-4 for Smoove, Marvin, and RJ, especially if we go small and play Smoove at the 5 for a little bit each game.


    I would make that trade any day of the week as well. But I think we would need to sweeten it to make NJ even consider it so we would likely have to throw Marvin or Childress in the deal, which I would be fine with to get a player of RJ's caliber.

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    I think you could make a good case for either MSG or Boston, but I voted Boston just because to me it has more mystique and is more recognizeable visually.


    If the real Boston Garden was still standing I would agree with you. The new arena that replaced the garden lacks the same appeal. Remember the Bruins game with the fog?

    MSG wins for me, but having been there many time it really is not all that great an arena, it is dated in comparison to the Phil. There has been some efforts to build a new one but it is unlikely at this time.

  13. BK is like the CEO of a small start-up company. He does a good job assembling some talent but ultimately he is not the guy with the vision to get that talent to work towards a cingular goal. Nor does he poses the demeanor to be the company front man for the IPO - he would turn off too many potential investors during the road show.

    Unless something drastic happens, BK will be given another year to acquire talent and then will be shown the door. The next GM will come in and hopefuly make that one key move that brings the team together and that GM will help launch the Hawks into the playoffs and beyond.

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    neither one is a pure SF or a pure PF at this point.

    Do you see pure PF's be successful with post moves like Smith's? Not really.

    Do you see pure SF's be successful with a handle as bad as Smith's? Not really.

    Do you see pure SF's block shots in the post like Smith? Not really.

    Do you see pure PF's shoot long jumpers / 3s and slash like Smith? Not really.

    They are young players who need to grow and whose final positions is as of yet undetermined. Why is this so hard to understand?

    If your personal belief is that they both will eventually become SF's, that's fine, but it's just your guess.


    There is no question that the NBA has evolved in the last dozen years. The biggest change is the arrival of multi-skilled big men (i.e., those guys 6'10" and taller that no longer have to stay within 8 feet of the basket). Garnett is the embodiment of the new generation, but he has a host of contemporaries including Dirk, Rasheed, Odom, Kukoc, Webber, Kirilenko, etc. Essentially, these guys are all supersized small forwards who, because of their size, have the physical ability to play in the post.

    There is no question that Josh Smith and Marvin Williams have the potential to develop well rounded skills, but neither have the god-given size to truly bang with the big boys. Not to say the couldn't on a limited basis, but i the grand scheme of things the front office will have to decide how to optimize their talent.

    From the games I have seen, both appear to be natural small forwards. You may disagree, but outside of Josh Smith's shot blocking skills is there anything that suggests either of these guys is anything other then a small forward?

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    And you are dead wrong.

    The foundation of the Memphis Grizzlies is centered around Pau Gasol and Shane Battier. Everything around them has been very fluid during Jerry West's term as the GM there. The only positive move he has made that helps that team long term was trading his mistake draft pick Drew Gooden for Mike Miller. That's it. Jerry West's drafts with the Grizzlies have been horrible. He has not produced a single starter for his team via the draft. He had the opportunity to take Amare Stoudemire instead of Drew Gooden. Billy Knight would have drafted Stoudemire, guaranteed. That's the type of move BK makes.

    If it weren't for BK's decision to draft Pau and Shane, the Grizzlies wouldn't be a playoff team. Billy was just never given the time to see it through and finish what he started in Memphis.

    As for BK's draft picks in Atlanta, all have exceeded expectations thus far:

    What Boris Diaw is doing in Phoenix is self explanatory. Last time I checked, Boris was drafted by BK based on what BK thought he could become along with the fact that his skill set matched very well with Jason Terry at the time.

    Josh Childress has the third highest PER rating from the 2004 draft, tied with Emeka Okafor and behind only Dwight Howard and Al Jefferson in that stat. Josh Smith is either 6th or 7th in PER rating from that draft class. From the 2005 class, the only player that improved as much as Marvin did throughout the year was Raymond Felton. Marvin will do nothing but continue the improvement he had during his rookie season, and he's going to be just 20 years old when the 2006-2007 season starts.


    The foundation for what was built by BK in Memphis? That team has no chance of winning a championship. BK has one decent draft which was made possible by Babcock and he is a genius? The fact of the matter is no team has won under his watch. He can find talent but has no clue how to put an organization or team together which can work together to win games. It was not until West came in and built a "team" that they won anything.

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