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I agree, I was more making a point over people quibbling whether the Hawks win 23 or 27 games. Doesn't matter much.

I don't know, Jaric is anything but consistent and his own coach has stated he is not a point guard in the traditional sense. Seems he is similar, though much less skilled, to JJ. Also, Jaric has a pretty hefty contract for his level of play, so I am not sure that helps the team in the long run.

Banks had one good game, lets not get carried away.

That is what I hear as well. Maybe we can trade him in a few years for a point guard.

Who cares if it is 23 wins or 28, it still stinks. Plus, winning more gives the team even less of a chance at the number one pick, which is likely Aldridge - the one big guy in this draft that fills a serious need (defensive player taller then 6'9").

No. Murphy is a very good rebounder and can shoot to a degree, but the Hawks need some tough minded interior defenders. I don't think Murphy is that guy.

Monta Ellis is a throw-in, the Hawks already have three similar players on their roster in Salim, Lue and Delk. He serves no purpose.

I think he is making the right call. The dunk contest these days is about young players, the days of Jordan and Dominique fighting it out are long gone. LeBron is too big a star to compete in the dunk contest.

We shall see, he could be great. But from my uneducated position, I would not touch him in the drafts top 10 picks. Plus his buyout is scary. Bargnani is really a small forward permimeter shooter which we definitely don't need.

Agreed with respect to Splitter and Bargnani offering little to no defense. Both are forwards, not centers, so I don't see how they help.

Aldrige would be the guy, but I am not even certain he is a center. It is just not a good year to have the number one pick.

It truly was amazing how poorly the Knicks played. The Hawks match up well against the Knicks though because the Knicks don't play defense either so it just comes down to who has the better shooters.

I still don't understand why Ivey doesn't get more minutes. I easily think he deserves 20 a night - just take the time from Lue and Stoudamire.

Portland's core players are Randolph and Miles, neither of whom are all that good. None of their other players really has the chance to be that good. Plus they are capped out.

If you combined Charlotte's roster with the Hawks roster you would have a pretty good team - they have what the Hawks need (big men and point guards) and Atlanta has what Charlotte needs (shooters).

I would say, in addition to the Knicks, Portland is probably worse off then the Hawks. Their best player (Randolph) is really not that motivated and their young players are intriguing but even further from contributing in a meaninful way then the Hawks youngsters.

Of course, if Webster, Outlaw, Jack, Kryapa, Monia, Telfair, etc. get a clue then they always have a chance. It just seems their collection of young forwards is less talented then the Hawks collection of young forwards. One big advantage they have though is two good point guard prospects in Telfair and Jack.

Another team that is in trouble is Toronto. They have an advantage in that they have their star - Bosh. The Hawks are still trying to figure out who their star is. The Hawks have much better depth though - Toronto has Bosh and Charlie V and not much else for the long run.

Maybe he is just not willing to work hard enough?

They shoot a lower percentage because the guys taking those shots - Nachbar, JR Smith, Snyder all pretty much stink.

NO is really a year behind the Hawks in terms of rebuilding - they off-loaded their expensive vets last season.

Pretty much says it all. Marvin is going to have to (1) put up some pretty gaudy statistics in a year or two and (2) make a contribution to the team that results i wins before I can give BK a lick of credit.

Lets just hope Woody doesn't mess up Smoove, Childress and Marving the way he messed up Diaw.

Agreed. Of course, that is why he is MVP.

I wish that would happen, but it is a long shot. Add a decent coach and that is a competitive team.

Name calling. Very grown up of you.

When should we expect results?

I think it is reasonable to expect patience on the part of the few Hawks fans that are out there, but it is not reasonable to accept that the team is getting out coached and out huscled on a nightly basis.

Realistically, the team is very young and no one should have expected them to even sniff the playoffs this year. But 30 or so wins is nor unrealistic, and right now, that is not looking good.

When should we expect results? Next year? I think if they aren't at least close to .500 next year there needs to be a major house cleaning. Problem is, to get to that point, they are going to have to hire a decent coach in the off-season.

Ohter then Gasol, Wright and Battier are there any players on that team brought in by BK? I don't think so.

BK gets lauded for the Gasol trade (where he fleeced an even more incompetent GM) but he is also the genius who traded Bibby for Jason Williams.

Just to be fair, playing with Nash is obviously a huge benefit to any player, but outside of Nash and Marion that team is absolutely not full of proven players. Diaw is probably their third best player, followed in some order by the likes of Thomas, Barbosa, Jones, House, etc. Of those guys, only Thomas is a real vet but as evidenced by his stay in NY he does not make players around him better.

I really think Diaw's development is about coaching - he had none in Atlanta and a lot in Phoenix.

I think it would be hard to argue that he is not the worst coach in the league.