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  3. Interesting trade proposal?

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    Too bad for him he is not talented enough to play such a role.

    I don't understand why people are reluctant to trade Salim away. He is likely to be a career back-up because he lacks point guard skills and is not close to being big enough to play the shooting guard position. The fact that he can't beat out Lue and Ivey for time should be proof enough.

  4. Clips Refuse to Send us Maggette?

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    If you acquire a legit power forward then you are effectively saying Smoove, Marvin and Childress have to battle it out for small forward. That further exacerbates an existing problem.

    Maybe if you trade Al and one of the other three for a big time player. Heck I would trade Smoove, Al and Marvin for Howard.

  5. The biggest problem we have is no post defense!!!!

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    The reason why we aren't a good team right now is because we don't have anyone on this team who can guard a pf or c in the post.

    Everyone was saying how it wasn't Al's fault that Mo Pete and Martin got those open threes.

    Actually it was.

    What happens is someone comes over to help Al on defense. So another hawk has to guard his man, and another hawk his man. The other team just keeps swinging the ball until they find an open man. This could explain why we keep seeing Paculia jump out to contest the other team's point guard's three pointer.

    Then the announcers want to say it is Pachulia's fault for not getting out there quick enough.

    If Al Harrington can't prevent Bosh from taking outside jumpers only, he needs to be gone.

    There is no reason why Al shoudn't be able to prevent Bosh from getting position down low.

    This has to be what Woodson is teaching them, because I see it every game.

    Woodson does not have any confidence in our low post defense so he has one of our guards cheat on his man.

    If we simply got two big men who could guard their men we would be much better defensively.

    I don't know if it will be FACY, the draft, or a trade, but we need some low post defenders, and we need them in the worst way.

    If there is anyway we can trade Harrington for two or three well sized big men who can defend consistently, I would do it in a heart beat.

    Just an Idea:

    Atl Recieves: Nick Collison/Johan Petro/Danny Fortson/Robert Swift

    Sea Receives: Al Harrington and Tony Delk

    Real GM ID:2790297

    Is there any forward in the NBA that can stop Chris Bosh from scoring down low? Judging by his 21+ point per game average I am guessing no.

  6. Clips Refuse to Send us Maggette?

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    It makes no sense to trade Al for another forward. None.

    Unless that forward is better than Al or a better fit for this team than Al. That would make sense, wouldn't it?

    No. What do you do with the legions of small forwards the team already has? You would be left with the same problem that currently exists. Plus, Maggette is not a great fit for the team because he is not a good passer.

    Maggette isn't a better fit for this team than Al and isn't noticably better than Al and so doesn't meet the above criteria. However, if you could trade Al for another forward who is better and/or a better fit for the team like Chris Bosh or Dwight Howard or (somewhat more realistically) Channing Frye, etc. then why wouldn't you do that?

    I understand not trading for another small forward but even then it would be worth the deal to land a better player like Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony, etc.

    While I understand the hesitation on Maggette, I just don't get the blanket statement saying there would be no point to trading Al for any other forward.

    You are talking semantics now. Obviously if a Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh or LeBron James is available you make the trade. But none of those guys are available and no one is going to trade a similar talent for Al Harrington. That is the reason it makes so much more sense to acquire a point guard or legit big man.

  7. What does BK have to do to get fired?

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    If you haven't noticed, the opposing teams little point guards have absolutely torched the Hawks all season. That and opposing teams frequently shoot close to or better then 50% against the Hawks. Further, the Hawks are almost entirely dependent on jump shots to win basketball games.

    Why you ask? Because we don't have a point guard or a legitimate big man.

  8. What does BK have to do to get fired?

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    Want are the chances BK drafts a point guard or big man? The build through the draft strategy is getting risky because the Hawks areas of need are not available in large quantities in the draft. Other then Rondo or Aldridge there are no clear cut difference makers at the point or big man positions.

    We should have taken a point guard when available as we can get a swingman anytime.

  9. Clips Refuse to Send us Maggette?

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    It makes no sense to trade Al for another forward. None.

    Unless that forward is better than Al or a better fit for this team than Al. That would make sense, wouldn't it?

    No. What do you do with the legions of small forwards the team already has? You would be left with the same problem that currently exists. Plus, Maggette is not a great fit for the team because he is not a good passer.

  14. What does BK have to do to get fired?

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    It worked because Harper was a tremendous defensive guard, even in his old age.

    Say what you want about the "need" for a PG here. The Hawks problem this year has been their inability to stop ANYBODY down the stretch. Even in the games that we've won, the Hawks were either executing perfectly offensively, or guys on the other team just didn't hit open shots.

    The guy the Hawks should've went after, is Antonio Daniels. No, he's not a great PG or a floor general. He's also not a great scorer or a good shooter.

    But he is 6-4, a veteran player, can at least handle the ball, play both guard spots, and most importantly . . DEFEND!!

    Ask Seattle fans if they miss AD, and the little things he did for the Sonics last year at the guard spots.

    And as for you "if we'd taken Chris Paul, we could do this" people, I'll say this once again:

    If we had taken Paul in the draft:

    - there would be no Salim in ATL

    ( because the Salim pick was one of those "best player available" picks. It was also a pick we could use, to try at PG. Ronny Turiaf, a PF, would've probably have been the pick. )

    - there would be no JJ in ATL

    ( because we were in the FA market for either a top notch SG [ Ray Allen, Michael Redd ] or a decent center [ Sam Dalembert, Eddy Curry ]. I doubt very serously if this team would've went to the extremes it did to get JJ, if we already had Paul as the future PG of the team . . AND . . we had a MAJOR hole at the C position. The Hawks would've probably thrown max money at Tyson Chandler, and hope the Bulls didn't match. If the Bulls matched, we probably get NOTHING in FAcy. If they didn't match, we would've ended up with a Chandler that is rapidly seeing his skills decline . . seeing how much he is struggling in the Chi right now. )

    - there would be no ZaZa in ATL

    ( because if we draft Turiaf, and land a guy like Curry or Chandler, do the Hawks
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    throw 4.4 million at a guy like ZaZa? )

    - the "need" for Lue would've been less, but he still may have been re-signed.

    ( but definitely not for 3.5 million a year. And if he doesn't get that kind of deal from ATL, does he go elsewhere? )

    - the "need" for a backup SG, since BK was, at the time, convinced that Chill could play SG, would've been somewhat of a high priority

    ( but most of the big name guys would've been off the board by this time. So that SG would've either been taken at #59 [ and it wouldn't have been Cenk ], or, we would've acquired some outcast from another team. It's not out of the question that the Hawks would've re-acquired a guy like Wesley Person or Luscious Harris . . guys who STILL don't currently have a team. And there is a slight chance that maybe by late September, the Hawks may have given a guy like Spreewell a chance to be here. But I doubt it )

    So these are your CHRIS PAUL led Hawks:

    C - Chandler

    F - Harrington

    F - Smoove

    G - Chill

    G - Paul

    G - Ivey

    G - Delk

    G - Person

    F - Diaw

    F - Turiaf

    C - Collier ( R.I.P.)

    # 59 pick

    Like this team now? How many games could they win? Because there's no way that Salim, ZaZa, and even JJ would be here now.

    This is an assinine post. You have no way of knowing what would or would not have happened if Paul was drafted.

    Besides, like someone else mentioned, that is a better team than Paul has now and his less talented team has won more games then the Hawks.

  16. The Wheels may be Turning??

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    I think when you put it all in perspective, you guys are wrong about Al's value.

    Even at a 22/7.5 Sf, Al's worth of 9-10 per year is not excessive or overvalue. Hell, compared to Maggette, Rashard Lewis, Antwain Jamison, Paul Pierce, Richard Jefferson and the rest in that class, Harrington would be an excellent value at that price. A Bargain...

    Compare Al to Richard Jefferson?

    Compare Al to KMart?

    Compare Al to Rashard Lewis?

    Compare Al to Corey Maggette?

    All these guys make more than Al and are in that salary range. But look at what they bring to the table vs. What Al brings to the table.

    NJ would give us a first rounder if we were to trade them Al/Delk for RJ... Because they know that Al is better and cheaper.

    The point is that a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.. But too many of you are looking down the bench in the bush hoping...

    I love Al, but if you think Al is better then Richard Jefferson you are crazy. But, I agree that he is more valuable then K Mart and Maggette. Lewis probably has the edge on Al.

  20. success through the draft

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    Since Marvin seems to need more time to develop, why can't he develop into the SF equiv of JJ or Billups? I think the guy needs time and confidence. Once he develops, all the talk about a wasted pick, I hope, will diminish.

    Yes we need a PG, I would have liked the Hawks to get Deron in the last draft or even Bogut over MW, but we have him and I really want him to develop into a top 10 player.

    The problem is that JJ and Billups did not achieve success for the teams that drafted them - it took a new team and a few years to achieve success.

  22. What does BK have to do to get fired?

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    He believes that he can get by with a combo guard. However, in basketball History, that has never worked...

    The Bulls did it with a backcourt of Jordan and Harper. Both were combo guards at most - certainly neither was a true point in any sense of the word.

    Be careful here, just because a scheme worked with the greatest player of all time and a very different offensive philosphy does not mean it will work elsewhere.

  24. Any SHOOTING GUARDS we could trade Harrington for?

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    I sure hope you are not comparing a incredibly young, unsuccessful Hawks team with zero defensive intensity and an inexperienced coach to teams with veteran laden rosters (Bulls, Lakers and Pistons) featuring two of the greatest talents of our lifetime (Jordan and Shaq) and two of the most successful coaches (Jackson and Brown) of all time.

    If the NBA was just about collecting high draft picks the Clippers would have been winners a long time ago. Turns out, they only started to win after signing a couple veterans.

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