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Which 6 teams?
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The Hawks are not likely to get a player with trade value in a deal for Harrington. There just is not enough demand.
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Didn't the Hawks just draft a power forward?
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I don't think Al makes any sense for the Sonics as long as Lewis is still on their roster - why have two tweener forwards when they could sign a real power forward in Wilcox for less?
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Quote:Quote:Yeah but those picks are like from 10 different drafts. I don't think anyone would disagree that you can find a superstar after 15 but it is finding the proverbial needle in the haystack.
Finding useful players 15+ in the draft isn't that rare - although superstars are not common anywhere after the first couple picks in the draft.
Here are useful players from a couple drafts with All-Stars every year and marked with *:
1998 - Harpring, Nesterovich, R. Lewis*, A. Harrington, R. Davis, N. Mohammed, R. Patterson, R. Alston, C. Mobley, T. Lue
1999 - R. Artest*, J. Posey, J. Foster, K. Thomas, A. Kirilenko*, J. Jones, M. Ginobili*
2000 - H. Turkoglu, D. Mason, Q. Richardson, J. Magloire*, S. Claxton, M. Peterson, P. Brezec, M. Jaric, M. Redd*
2001 - S. Hunter, Z. Randolph, B. Haywood, G. Wallace, S. Dalembert, J. Tinsley, T. Parker*, G. Arenas*, M. Okur, E. Watson
These picks have real value if you do a good job with them like San Antonio. How much value is more up for debate but you can't toss these picks aside. By way of illustration, in the terrible 2000 draft the only All-Stars came after the lottery in Magloire and Redd.
Now that is the way to quiet someone who posts based on less then perfect facts.
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Quote:i'd look at captain kirk hinrich.......Stargate log 6 dash 42 hut: I've signed................a long.......term contract......with........the Atlanta........Hawks.but i definitely want to get SOMETHING for Al. i'd be upset if we couldn't. i think something that is still out there and possibly doable buthaven't heard anything to the like, is Al Harrington for Magloire and Milwaukee 1st...that gives us expiring contract(for best free agent class ever) and draft pick(in one of best drafts in recent times)..
I don't see the Bucks wanting Al now that they have Charlie V to play power forward.
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GS did that deal to get rid of Fischer's contract. None of the three guys they got will likely end up on their roster.
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It remains to be seen. Al was a good player for the Hawks. He has deficiencies but his scoring and positive attitude will be missed.
I am expecting much bigger contributions this year from Smoove and Childress. Marvin is still a question mark but hopefully he will show us why he was the second pick in the draft.
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Quote:Chandler/Armstrong/JacksonWest/SimmonsStojokovic/Mason/SnyderPaul/JacksonWith all that length and athleticism, a Chandler/Simmons combo up front could be a nightmare in a couple of years, particularly in transition. Few teams will have PFs and Centers who can run the floor like those two and if they are covered, Paul can kick it out to Peja for the 3. Their half court offense might not be much but Paul and Peja can both score in the half court. Add a SG who can shoot and look out.
West is good in the half court game as well.
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Quote:Would you trade AL to Houston for Swift/Ryan Bowen?
No way. Al is not the greatest player but Swift and Bowen are garbage.
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Quote:Quote:We need a player that can help this year. Murphy would certainly help.
Murphy can help some teams, just not the Hawks IMO.
He's not really a post-up threat, and was not exactly an efficient shooter last year. He's a great rebounder, but a poor shotblocker.
He's an above average PF with a long-term, starter's contract. Per minute, I don't think he's that much an upgrade over Croshere to merit the additional four years, $40M+ in salary commitments.
I guess it would depend on what Knight thinks of Murphy as a center, because that's where he would play.
Agree completely. He is of no use to the Hawks. If the Hawks wanted a jump shooting power forward they should just sign Al. Murphy is a better rebounder but with Sheldon in town I do not see the big need for a rebounder.
I would be pissed if the Hawks traded Al for Murphy even if it included some other young "maybe" player.
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I really think Claxton will be fine as a starting point as long as he is not asked to play much more then 30 minutes a night.
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Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Don't give up on Josh's offensive game just yet. He's only 20, right? And he did show quite a bit of improvement over the 2nd half of last season...
I agree.
mj
I am a believer in Josh as well.
Me too. I like Smoove, Marvin, AND Chill. (Still trying to recover from the Shelden shock, but I'll get there.)
I'm an optimist. I don't see any problem with the players we'll have. Shouldn't matter who's on the floor when the game starts, just who has the most points at the end. There are a lot of minutes in a game and if they play hard and run more, we'll need all of these guys. We have a lot of talent, let's see if they can do it. Now it's up to Woody.
I think Smoove has shown alot more long term potential then Marvin.
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Not sure why Detroit would want Al. They have better forwards in Prince and Wallace.
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Quote:I know that Zeke has cried that he would not.. Would not move Frye..But I wonder. Would he move Frye if it meant getting Al??I think he would.I have the deal to propose...Al for Frye/Rose.Rose is probably the biggest mistake the Zeke has made as a GM. Here, get rid of Rose, get AL and it only costs... FRYE.For us, Frye is the uptempo C.He'd split time with Zaza very well.I'm sure that Zeke could work out a Kenyon for Francis trade.Then Zeke would have the team:Marbury, Crawford, AL, Kenyon, Curry...
No.
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I disagree about the Hawks being in the drivers seat. The Hawks may be able to get a decent young prospect through a sign and trade but they will also be getting back someone elses garbage - i.e., a long expensive contract.
BK needs to be careful not to bind the Hawks salary structure in such away that he is unable to resign Smoove in two years. If Smoove keeps progressing the way he has someone will give him a max contract. The Hawks need to plan for that eventuality.
A guy like Chandler is great in theory but the reality is his contract could cripple the team in two years.
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Quote:I think that Tyson Chandler will end up a Hornet. The Hornets can trade PJ Brown for him and Brown's contract ends next summer which gives Paxson cap relief in a better FA year.I think Harrington makes little sense for the Bulls because they already have starters in Deng and Nocioni...Deng won't want to play behind AL. The Bulls won't spend that kind of money on AL when they have a better FA crop next year...and they already have two fine forwards to build around. The Hornets getting Tyson makes a lot more sense for the Bulls.
Agreed.
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Quote:Quote:He said we need a shoot first point guard?
No
Good. What exactly did he say about the type of point guard they are looking for?
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Quote:BK is making a good point about the PGs. He's saying exactly what has been speculated... We need a Shoot first PG who can push the ball. The Guard has to have SIZE!!!BK wants somebody at least 6'2" who can push the ball.
He said we need a shoot first point guard?
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Me too. Strange.
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Quote:Quote:If West is so good wonder why Ainge is giving up on him.
West doesn't run the break well or get to the basket.
he is a good shooter and a good defender though.
If that is the case he makes zero sense for the Hawks. The Hawks need someone who can push the pace on the fast break, penetrate in the half court game and play good defense.
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Quote:Quote:I wish that Gottlieb had a more intelligent response as to why it was a good pick for us. It's as if no other team drafted a player with the intent to have that player start for them for 10+ years.
Why is he such a wrong pick when he fills the most glaring 2 needs of the team?
The only bad thing about the Sheldon pick is that it forces one of the other talented young forwards to the bench.
As a fan, it can be hard to rationalize having 5 first round picks be forwards because you know the team will ultimately have to trade one or two of them to balance off the roster. That means one of the guys you start rooting for is going to go. For example, the development smoove showed last year really makes me look forward to seeing how he develops over his career. Problem is, he may have to be traded to get a legit starting point guard. For me, that is the hardest part.
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I like the Sheldon pick, I just wish BK picked Paul last year rather then a redundant small forward. If he had picked Paul last year this team would be looking really good. Right now, it still needs a lot of work.
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Quote:Quote:agreed, claxton or cassell would help us tremendously. I can't see cassell coming here though. Not sure about claxton
You really need to set higher goals that 18MPG backups like Speedy Claxton. That dude can't shoot a lick.
Listen, this is BK we are talking about, we would be lucky to get a point guard as talented as Speedy Claxton. My guess is BK has his eyes on someone like Howard Eisley.
The Lack of News on AL tells me
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Thanks.