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    All the draft experts, pundits, etc are saying we've promised Shelden and are taking him and it's good for us to take an established big with our #5 pick so it's what we SHOULD do

    Then as soon as we do it, they'll all bash us for picking another 6'9 forward and say we messed up again


    Well they would be right on both accounts. The team would be flawed as it would have its last 4 first round picks, three of those lottery picks, invested in forwards. It just doesn't make a lot of sense unless they trade someone.

  2. the description of Sene reminds me of the write-ups about a prospect from a few years ago - Malik Badiane (sp?). I think he was drafted by Houston but I do not think he has played in the NBA to date.

    Sene is an intriguing prospect but has a huge bust potential so is not a legitimate candidate for a top 5 pick, let alone a top 10 pick.

    He could blossum, but the odds are against it.

  3. Agreed, Dougherty was a very good player and definitely worthy of the number one overall selection. The only thing that derailed him was injuries. Think of it this way, he would easily go number one in this draft, last years draft and just about any draft in recent memory sans LBJ.

    Also, Price and Harper were excellent players in their prime as well.

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    If Seattle is trading out of the first round, they'll simply do what Phoenix did a few years ago and get a future first rounder in the trade.

    They're not going to "give away" their pick. To suggest such is silly, irresponsible journalism.


    Agreed. Getting a top ten pick for a couple second rounders is a pipe dream.

    Plus, any team looking to save cash will be more inclined to trade away players then picks - the #10 pick is a relative bargain basement contract in the nba these days. Only way the Supersonics trade the picks away is if someone also takes one of the bad contracts of their hands.

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    Shelden Williams and Wayne Simien are totally different players. Shelden is taller, longer, stronger, more athletic, and plays defense. Simien is an undersized offensive player without much athleticism.

    While Shelden may not quite have the star potential you want out of a number 5 pick, he's definitely worthy of a top 10 pick and he's just what we need, so it wouldn't be a mistake to take him at 5.


    I am curious as to why some people do not think Sheldon has enough "potential" to be a #5 pick when this franchise recently used a #6 pick on Josh Childress, who has less "potential" then Sheldon. Sheldon is faster then Childress, despite weighting 60+ pounds more then Childress.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Childress and his game but the reality is he is a complementary player - the type of guy every team needs. Sheldon may never be a 20 point scorer, but he may be a double figure rebounding guy who plays good interior defense, which any franchise could use, especially this one.

    I am definitely not sold on Sheldon as the pick, but for people to say he does not belong in the conversation as far as consideration for the #5 pick is illogical.

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    Strictly playing Devils advocate, but what is going to happen when Shelden is no longer the strongest guy on the court?


    That's what I've been saying all along. I'm just very nervous about it. IT's so hard to tell with guys like that. Sometimes it carries right through and you wonder why you ever doubted them, and sometimes they fizzle


    Could not agree more.

    We are all guilty of overanalyzing these things. It is also very difficult to predict who will and who will not break out as professionals, which is an entirely seperate issue from overanalyzing.

  7. Some of Sheldon's wingspan is attributable to his broad frame. I imagine if they did a standing reach test he would not measure out as well as some of the string bean types whose wingspan is based largely on the length of their arms.

  8. Interesting. Sene has ridiculously long arms but it will probably take 4+ years for him to make something of himself. O'Bryant has a lot of size going for him. Aldridge is some serious weight room time away from being a center. Sheldon Williams and Cedric Simmons definitely measure out as legit power forwards. Tyrus Thomas is Josh Smith II.

  9. The reason why Belkin's objection to the first proposal was an issue for the other owners is the fact that Belkin choose the first appraiser. The contract should have been drafted to provide only the party that does not pick the appraiser the right to object.

    Belkin essentially gamed the situation. He picked the first appraiser and then immediately objected so that he could also pick the second appraiser. He tried to control the whole process.

    This is obviously (at least one would hope) contrary to the spirit of the deal that was struck (presumably that each side would have a chance to pick an appraiser). The real issue is whether this is contrary to the letter of the actual contract. Courts always look to resolve a contractual dispute by first looking within the "four corners" of the agreement. If the answer is not there, then they can look at course of dealing, customary practices in the industry, etc.

  10. Yikes, Tyrus Thomas is small. I don't want the Hawks to touch him now.

    Aldridge passes the height test, as does O'Bryant.

    JJ Redick, dumb ass for getting arrested, but size is no longer an issue. Think Hersey Hawkins.

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    Nonsense.

    AOL didn't have to sell the Hawks. They CHOSE to do so. If this group hadn't gotten their offer on the table at that point, AOL would have just moved on. Plus, there are no reports that there were no other bidders. Bernie and Billy have no reason to tell loyal season ticket holders a lie about this.


    Um, AOL wanted to sell and quite frankly the team would be better off if AOL did move on to another bidder. Bernie and Billy are trying to cover the owners asses by attributing the confusion to the compressed time frame involved in the purchase of the franchise.

    Seriously, it appears these guys have screwed up several times already.

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    Unless they're lying, AOL told them they had 10 days to get it done. Doesn't seem like it's their fault unless they're flat out lying which I doubt. They weren't asked these questions. They decided to tell us these things.


    The thing is there is no way AOL had any leverage to require a contract in 10 days - there was no other buyer. I know I would never advise a client to make such a move. How can you spend that type of money without being given an adequate opportunity to to diligence the business?

    Besides, the 10 day window could not possibly have included the negotiation of a definitive sale agreement with AOL.

    I am not sure why they proferred that info other then as an excuse for how incompetent they look.

  13. That whole concept that the ownership group only had ten days to get a deal done is BS. If they did not get a deal done there are no other buyers, so it is not like the team is going anywhere, and the league was not interested in another mess after the McDavid fiasco.

    Basically it is cover for not paying attention to detail.

    Again, the Hawks need a "white knight" buyer. All of the current owners appear to be damaged goods at this point.

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    I strongly prefer Randy Foye over Marcus Williams. I believe Foye is a better fit than Williams and a better contrast to what we have in Joe Johnson. Foye is better than Williams at playing off the ball, and that's something that is going to happen regardless if fans believe it should. Joe Johnson is simply too good to completely take his playmaking skills away and make him a traditional shooting guard. Plus, Foye is a much better defender than Williams.

    This is one of those odd drafts where you have about 5 players that could go in any order, and it's really hard to say who is a reach and who isn't. People can make a strong case that Patrick O'Bryant is a reach at the 5th pick. Randy Foye, Marcus Williams, Shelden Williams, Patrick O'Bryant, and Ronnie Brewer could go in any order.


    Can Foye bring the ball up court? I hear all this talk about being a running team but the Hawks lack a guy who can really push the ball up the court to make them a running team. JJ is a good ballhandler and can distribute in a halfcourt situation, but he is not a guy that pushes the pace up the court.

    If Foye can be that guy who can push the ball and creat on the fast break then I agree he is a good fit, particularly in light of his strong defensive reputation. Also if he can take the ball to the rim and can distribute in the process that would be good too.

    A Tony Parker type is what the Hawks need - push the pace, penetrate and score or distribute, hit the open shot, etc.

  15. Because the Hawks are still too young. Marvin, Smoove and this years draft pick are another year or two away from really being able to take the team to the next level, at which point Cassell is 40 and useless.

  16. The worst part of this whole thing is not the fact that Belkin may or may not get control of the team, it is the furthering of the public perception that the Hawks as a franchise are a bunch of bumbling morons.

    This perception will have a negative impact not only in terms of fan support (which obviously was not great to begin with), but also greatly hinder the team in attracting top free agents over the next few years. It will take a year or two of turmoil free clear ownership before that perception changes.

    I still do not think Belkin comes out on top, but the damage is done, almost to the point where the other owners may need to sell (even if they win versus Belkin) to fully clear the air surrounding the franchise. It is unfortunate, because they seemed to have good intentions, but they are now tainted goods.

    I don't think Smoove and Marvin will be happy campers when it comes time to renew their contracts.

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    Are you trying to say that Josh didn't have potential?

    Because if you are, then neither Andre Iguodala nor Luol Deng have potential either, since Josh has been as good if not better than both of them.


    Do you honestly think Josh Childress will ever average 20 points per game? If not then, according to your logic, he was a waste of a draft pick.

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