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All these assistant coaches have varying degrees of skills, expertise etc....until they actually get a head coaching gig of their own it's all speculation as to what they'll be, what system they'll run, how they'll develop players etc. As long as it's not a re-tread coach I'm good.

LOL, reading and comprehension fundametals required....ascending head coaching CANDIDATE!!!!! Simply meaning, he's outpacing the other candidates perhaps. You are so quick to be negative you missed the quote in its entirety.

GMs are in 4 categories: 1. Tanking/rebuilding (like the Magic and Kings) 2. Trying desperately to make the playoffs (like Denver and Minny) 3. Trying to be better in the playoffs or just stay in the playoffs (like the Hawks the last 10 and the Bucks now ) 4. Those legitimately competing for champions Most GMs want a coach who want what they want - Bud fits in categories 2-4. I don't think most GMs care. If they are interested in seeing their players develop and want to win games they should have no issue hiring Bud.

I get the inference but football isn't basketball, besides you know what the Falcons had that the Hawks don't - a stable owner in Blank, an experienced GM in Dimitroff and most importantly a franchise leader on and off the court in Matt Ryan - Hawks have NONE of those things. The way all this was handled by both sides was very 'Hawksy' and it just doesn't leave me all warm and fuzzy inside.

I would be more confident in that assesment if Coach Bud was still on board. I know what he brings. You are hoping that a new coach will be as effective as Bud, and he could be but there is an unknown attached to a new coach and a young team. Schlenk has said he'll be leveraging capspace for 1st round picks meaning no viable free agents. Will he sign quality vets to supplement the team of young players? I'm excited for the offseason to see where we are headed.

I don't know what Silas is or isn't, but expecting him to be a miracle worker with that team..... Clifford won 9 of his 1st 22 games Silas won 8 of the 21 games Clifford missed. Clifford came back and finished the season winning 19 of 39 games. I would say that team was exactly who they were - Not a good team.

Just varying degrees of losing.

Thing is, Bud can sit out the year AND still get paid ALL his money from the Hawks. Pathetic.

Whats the point of being in the playoffs if we're just cannon fodda for 1st round exits. I want to at least be in the conversation for having a fighting chance to get at minimum to the ECF annually.

Sometimes I think he was 'experimenting' with lineups and the offensive sets. Some lineups were real head scratchers. At the end of the season, no Baze and Denis and limited minutes for Dedmon. I think it was the Suns or Magic game he had Moose at SF so you know he wasn't trying to win that game. The game where Prince went nuts and won the game, I think Bud just couldn't help himself, when the competitive juices start going you want your young players who you hope will be on the team to get their win and put up numbers. Blame the Wiz and Selts for taking the Hawks likely.

Great read!

Really?

I don't see that as idiotic at all. We won 24 games trying to lose games - some more blatant than others. Dedmon missed 20 games which also overlapped with John Collins missing games also overlapping with Muscala missing games all BEFORE the Allstar game. I will surmise if all were healthy our record would have been better before the AS break. Add in the season ending 'injuries' to Bazemore and Dennis, the trade of Illy and Beli this team would have easily hit 30 wins. You asked why Babbit played over Illyasova.

Illyasova missed 10 of the 14 games to start the season.

I'm talking specifically about getting value for players. Hawks won 60 games, had the best undefeted month ever and not one of our players got voted in by fans to the Allstar game (yes I know popularity contest) nobody gave us a fighting chance against Cleveland even with winning 60. No one.

Why though? The Context and circumstances of the sale matters. (Ehem DF) Hawks weren't a tanking team for 3/4 years before the sale, they were perinnial playoff victims losing sometimes in historic fashion.

That's crazy talk - a 2nd rounder??? I'm ok with moving Dennis for the right price, but if it's just to move him for garbage it makes no sense. He's a flawed player but he's still young enough to improve his defense, decision making and 3pt shot. He needs to balance his affinity for scoring easily off a drive with running the team effectively. This fuster cluck season did him no favours. Can he? Remains to be seen.

Better by stats but not name recognition and popularity. Those guys get voted in by fans to Allstar games - Horford and Millsap doesn't. Unfortunately, perception matters.

I've wondered the same. I don't think Pop retires with the Kawhi business unsettled.

Celtics are in a different category, they actually had stars to trade to get these top picks and dumbess GM to give them the picks. Hawks didn't have one star player to trade for a lottery pick. Even Al Horford wouldn't get us a top pick in his last season here. Boston wanted him and was offering Kelly Olynyk and their own pick which was in the 20s, Houston wanted him and Teague for Dwight - how do we rebuild with that? The Philly team now as it stands was due to Embiids injury, had he been healthy from the get go, I doubt Philly drafts Simmons who then misses his entire year along with Embiid missing a ton more games giving them #1 pick Fultz. Stupid Ferry for letting LD stick around. Raptors can't be trusted!

Wouldn't it be funny if he doesn't get an offer?

Have you seen the Bucks capsheet? It's brutal now. By the time they add Parker's new deal, they'll be in the Luxury Tax or very close too it. Which means all they'll be able to offer Dedmon is the $8.5 MLE. They'll need to move their overpaid guys like Delly and Henson. The Bank if Schlenk should be open to take some bad contracts for 1sts.

The way I see it, there were a ton of mixed messages from Schlenk. - we'll take a step back from the playoffs to get better - we'll play an exciting brand and be competive and if we win 30 games I'm ok with that....mmmmmm?? Apparently not. - I'm not interested in a Philly style tank he says. (We shall see this offseason). - why bother signing Dedmon and Illyasova and keep Beli if you want to tank and not expect them to win you games, because as he said he's ok winning 30 games? - Trades Illyasova and Beli at the deadline but Dedmon wasn't on the market? - sits Bazemore and Dennis to avoid winning, so Bud plays the young guys - Hawks win 2 games down the stretch against playoff teams Wiz and Selts, Bud gets yelled at (I think it was Ressler) - probably says 'I dont need this' plus Schlenk now staying 'we'll leverage capspace for 1st round picks' meaning no meaningful FA signings - meaning a longer rebuild than Schlenk said initially. Simple - Bud didn't want to be here for that and Schlenk was only too happy to see him leave to bring in his own guy. A mutual parting of the ways. Nothing for Illyasova, Nothing for Belinelli and Nothing for Bud and paying him his contract - I'm watching you Schlenkly with a side eye. From the ASG and infighting ending up in court, the Levenson letter, the Ferry Fiasco, forcing to sell the team, the Wilcox debacle and now the whole Bud will he or won't he stay - the Hawks just can't get right. It's ALWAYS something with this team. Sigh. #IWonderWhyIStillRootForThisTeam #Hawk4Life!!! Go Hawks!!