Duff_Man

Quote: How many points do you think Zaza would score with the Bucks playing behind Bogut and Mags? Zaza's shooting is lame for a center because he can't finish in the lane worth a crap. When there is someone on him he just leans into them and throws up a shot from his hip hoping to get a foul. Well, he averaged better than Gadz while they played together so I guess better than Gadz who gets $2 million more? Zaza showed a very nice upside, heart and grit in there. Let's not kill him for being thrust into a defensive situation he was too young/raw to handle. I really think he can make a big stride this year after having to match up with a lot of centers last year.

Quote: So what specifically does Zaza do so well? He shoots free throws reasonably well and can handle contact well. He certainly rebounds his own blocked shots well. He can get by most bigs off the dribble. Other than that pretty much everything he does is weak. He doesn't shoot jumpers well. He can't finish inside well. He gets his shot blocked all the time and turns it over a lot. His defense and defensive rebounding both suck. The only way he can really become effective offensively would be if he could hit that 15 foot jumper consistently and force guys to come out and play him. Then he could drive by them. Any team could have signed him last year. The Bucks could have matched but chose not to. They decided to pay Gads $6 million per year instead of paying Zaza $4 million per year, which should be self explanatory. And Zaza had 11.7 points and 7.9 boards. Gadz had 5.2 and 3.1. Great deal for the Bucks there, I assume. Not to mention Zaza is 6 years younger. We paid a guy a very reasonable contract who is on the upswing of his career. His D will get better with time. Zaza was a workhorse. I like where his career may go.

I know this isn't popular, but I would love to get Pietrus here. I think his upside could be tremendous. And if we are looking to take on a contract, we could do way worse than Murphy. I'm just sayin'. I really like Pietrus.

Is that Mike Woodson or Mike Jarvis? Holy beard!

Quote: I don't think he gets enough respect or recognition on this board. How old is he? 21? 22? He's only getting better each year. Do you guys have any idea what his fair market value is in this league??? We've got him for 3 more years at 12 million dollars, which is a freakin steal. I also don't see him being out of the starting lineup. I honestly think he is too good of a player and Marvin just isnt quite ready, YET. I look for our opening day starting lineup (pending no injuries) to look like this: Speedy, JJ, Smoove, Shelden, Zaza. Alot gets said about Marvins, Smooves, and Sheldens potential, but not much about Zaza's. Don't mean to rant, I just think he deserves a little more credit than he gets. He played tons of minutes and took a hell of a beating for us last year and im glad we drafted Sheldon to give him some help. I absolutley love Zaza. I don't know why people rag on him, but I go to another post to see posters trying to trade for Adonal Foyle. Zaza has a pretty high ceiling and I think he can be a 15/10 guy depending on how things pan out. He really did all he could last year and for god's sake, he hit his free throws. His passing improved and he was aggressive and fought hard for boards. Gotta love the way he got things done.

I want no part of Foyle. He is nothing on offense, and his contract is absolutely hysterical. He's 31 and pretty much useless IMO. Although I will say he is a great guy and very charitable.

Quote: You know what I was thinking? Being a hawks fan might not be the easiest fandom in the world, or the most rewarding, but we sure do learn a lot! Over the years we've become experts on the draft lottery process, various drafting strategies, financial obligations in purchasing a team, the legal system and the balance of power between the law and the NBA, the validity of the traditional 5 man model on the court... Most fans only learn about the newest star on their team... Kinda like what I used to say about my old Ford Explorer: "That thing was always in the shop, but I sure did learn a LOT about car mechanics from that thing." My god, never buy a used Ford. Ever.

Quote: Quote: Not bad. He is a quick guy with a pretty good handle. Bet he can D up on quicker guards smaller than him. Some of those drives were nuts. And the music was pretty good. Better than the more modern selections in my opinion. people try to put basketball and newer rock music together. it just doesn't flow IMO. Red Hot Chili Peppers "Give it away now" is one of the few that would work IMO I could put a highlight reel to the Foo Fighters and blow your mind. I always thought old school fit better...and Rebel Yell was great on that Murphy one.

Not bad. He is a quick guy with a pretty good handle. Bet he can D up on quicker guards smaller than him. Some of those drives were nuts. And the music was pretty good. Better than the more modern selections in my opinion.

Quote: The report is that Steve Belkin is so confident that he will get control of the Hawks, that he has already lined up ML Carr to be the GM and Jan Volk to be the President. Sometimes, I told you so just doesn't seem to fit. The report says that ML Carr is even telling people that he will be the next GM of the Hawks. Who was it that told me that Steve Belkin wouldn't hire the worst GM in Celtics history? WOW. I am readying my black arm band right now. This will be a sad state of affairs.

Quote: *Mike was giving glowing praise of Zaza Pachulia, comparing him favorably to Andrew Bogut. He also said that people around the league believe that Zaza was the biggest free agent steal of the past five years. They really like Zaza, so any thoughts some of you may have of them replacing him as a starter, I highly doubt that will happen. *Mike said they have addressed their biggest free agent need by getting a fast, pass first point guard that can push the ball up the court. Mike said that it was Billy's belief that a young team like the Hawks needs a veteran point guard, not a rookie point guard. He also said that the only true point guard in the draft was Marcus Williams. *Mike couldn't say anything on the court ruling because he could be in contempt of court if he talks about it. Thanks! I know people on here get on Zaza a lot, but I love the way he plays. For a 21 year old, I think he has a pretty high ceiling. I think his offense is pretty good and he made some good srides passing. He's not selfish, and he looks like a caveman. He was certainly a steal.

Anyone got a recap?

Quote: Quote: Well, when the judge doesn't have a clue who "Mr. Claxton" is, or evidently even realized the Hawks had obtained Mr. Claxton's services, certainly one doesn't expect the judge himself to make that determination. You know the judge did not have a clue about what it takes to run a sports fanchise. He gave all parties the opportunity to basically hash out an agreement thay would benefit the Hawks and Thrashers, but Belkin blocked all suggestions. The more I think about this whole circus, I believe this is more personal than business. Belkin has been trying to own an NBA team for more than 20 years and I can not see why he wouldn't want to put a competive team on the floor. He has basically won the case. I mean the ruling was he could buy out the other owners at cost. I think right now his only desire is to stick it to the current ownership and management for going against him in the first place. That's why the NBA and NHL needs to step in and take complete control of our team before it's ruined. Total agreement. I can almost hear the spite from here. And the real losers in this whole "divorce court" style fiasco is us...the fans. I am a little upset that David Stern hasn't steped in or said anything. I feel like we are being ignored by the league.

Quote: No, Grundy is not under contract with the Hawks..We only signed him for the remainder of last season. Interesting. Shame though, because I thought he had some potential last year. He was aggessive and energetic.

I am not a huge Murphy fan, but it will be better to get him than come out of this Harrington ordeal empty handed. I think Pietrus has some potential...hopefully he will be at the worst a solid bench guy.

Quote: Quote: Prejudice is not necessarily hateful, nor is it necessarily racist. If it is true that most rich white guys are A-holes, then it is perfectly reasonable to say that Belkin is "just like the majority", so to speak. Even if such is not true of a few, it is acceptable to say that he is like the majority. Whether or not that's true is a different matter, but it is not a matter of racism or hatred. You need lessons in critical reasoning. You don't realize just how deficient you are here. That's nothing unusual, though. Most people cannot think critically, but nearly all of them are not aware that they cannot. Learn something here, and you'll be rare. So that gives you the right to use the word "honky"? Personally I find the term offensive and racist. I've said some bad things. I will not deny it. But to truly hate white people, I'd have to hate my mother, dad, brother etc....

See previous posts... Quote: bg Hotlanta1981 Team MVP Reged: 09/26/03 Posts: 4748 Loc: GA That honky m*therf*cker is going to make sure the Hawks make no moves.

Quote: I really don't think you understand what "racist" means. I am pretty sure I do. And Hotlanta has used the word "honky" and I feel that it is an offensive and racist term. And this thread is no better.

Quote: Any Maryland fans on this board? You guys should buy these and stand outside the courtroom. I am close enough. I I can get the court dates, I'd be there in a jiffy.

Quote: Quote: lol...I don't believe he get mistaken for Jordan. MJ has one of the most recognizable faces in the world and for so many people to think he is MJ is crazy. Haven't you heard people say that all black people look alike? More racist rhetoric.

Quote: Sounds like you're a Conservative burbs guy to me Sorry to hear you hate white people. Makes a lot of what you say moot. I live right downtown in Harrisburg. I have had a gun pulled on me. You think I cared what race the person was? Seriously, I am sorry if the man is keeping you and Otis Redding down, but lighten up, Francis.

Quote: Quote: ooooh, thanks Belkin for that bone...the players we need.. i'm guessing he's saying I'm confident we'll get the players WE ALREADY HAVE...unless he thinks some minimum contract free agents are WHAT WE NEED. i hate that guy. where is stern? he's just another typical rich white guy. Go spread your hate rhetoric elsewhere you asshat.

I know that was harsh, but these constant jabs really grind my gears. The Hawks doubled their win total (not that it was super high, but still) and improved overall with a team of relative children in the NBA...and the Hornets and Hawks both still ended up out of the playoffs. I am afraid that Marvin will someday average 20/6 and still be in the shadow. I can't be the only one that is sick of people jumping on that wagon. Let's wait for 2 more years whe MW would have been a senior before going crazy. That being said...if Belkin takes over we may have to watch him blossom or fail elsewhere.

Quote: That's why I'm hoping Jermaine Dupree, Puffy, Nique, Barkley, Ludicris, and Ted Turner can get their nickles together. There's money to be made here. Um...what? That ownership would be an even bigger mess. I want no part of entertainers running the show...especially Dupree, Puffy, and Luda. What? Wasn't MC Breed available?

What if Paul just had his best season as an NBA player? We won't know until the future happens. Thinking we do know what will happen is foolish. And one of those teams filled their need with a PG who was not named Chris Paul. God, I HATE this stupid debate. I wish Paul would vanish from the planet.