thecampster

No you wrote 7/14 + TPE. Those picks are held by GS. So maybe I missed you moving 7/14 to Toronto for 4???

Let me clarify that cap hold situation this year. Free Agent Cap Holds 20/21 21/22 22/23 23/24 Free Agent Cap Holds Tony Snell $ 18,267,857 $ 18,267,857 $ 18,267,857 Lou Williams $ 15,200,000 $ 15,200,000 $ 15,200,000 John Collins $ 12,411,906 $ 12,411,906 $ 12,411,906 Brandon Goodwin $ 2,116,290 $ 2,116,290 $ 2,116,290 Solomon Hill $ 1,669,193 $ 1,719,248 $ 1,805,206 Nathan Knight $ 1,489,065 $ 1,489,065 $ 1,489,065 Skylar Mays $ 1,489,065 $ 1,489,065 $ 1,489,065

I like how you phrased that, Core, Critical, expendable...with Gallo between critical and expendable.

Until we sign Collins, he has a cap hold of about $12 million in place. For purposes of cap discussion. Once we sign Collins, his 2021/22 salary is what is used to calculated cap flexibility going forward. For that reason, we may "announce" a signing/match with Collins but will "process" his deal last if we are trying to sign/trade for someone. for those not sure, The league will "process" and "calculate" deals after the dead period in the order received, not the order they happen. So we will submit them in the most advantageous manner for the purposes of cap calculation. Moving on to Collins. We have extended a "Qualifying offer". This is the minimum the team can offer. He will undoubtedly find his own deal and we will match or not. This will invalidate the qualifying offer once he signs with us or another and the first year salary will kick in this year 21/22. Currently, Collins is not signed for 21/22 or going forward. He is a free agent but under restrictions (right to match). He can accept the Qualifying Offer or get his own Free Agent deal in a signed offer sheet. The restriction is we have the right to match that offer sheet and keep him at the deal he negotiated with another team.

Taken from your post...the numbers used/bolded. It was hidden for you (especially if you were on mobile).

My numbers are from your list. See the bolded in my reply. I identified those 5 things to talk about. Yours stated TP in both situations.

Okay let me address that. Cash considerations are not "player salaries" but instead money to make up the difference in taking on a player whose salary you don't want financial responsibility for. Financial responsibility and Cap responsibility are 2 separate issues. The money received is not "player salary" which is all the cap/LT is addressing. Also, cap/LT is a funny business as the penalty is calculated at the end of the season based on the final value of contracts paid. For the purposes of "cap/LT trade rules", the rules are enforced based on the current situation. But the penalty, final tabulation happens during the dead period (after the team plays its last game for season/playoffs). Trades = current, penalty = final roster spending end of the year. Cash considerations are payment to take a player you might not otherwise take and not considered salary. It is off the salary books and part of the profit/loss statement.

That is counted in the year it occurred, 20/21. Has no bearing on future discussions which is all I'm worried about for fear of causing board confusion.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/05/mid-level-bi-annual-projections-for-202122.html Here see the charts. You're thinking Standard MLE.

That's pulled directly from Shamsports Capulator.

Once Snell is waived, this is all we qualify for at the moment. Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception $ 6,074,714 I say once Snell is renounced because all of our holds show us in the LT (not reality).

Word is there may be some heavy action later today. The Memphis/NO stuff set things in motion. Could/Should see lots of picks moving this year.

1). We are in the dead period an all trades involving players need to be completed after 8/2. GS does not/will not have TPE's to use in this space. 2). Philly has TPE's to use but nothing close to what would absorb Ball's new salary. 3). I can confirm that backup PG is their number 1 priority in the draft, F/A, pick up games in the neighborhood, trade, games of horse after practice. They are looking everywhere for Trae's backup. Bruno/Dunn are being shopped but as filler/pick swaps. 4. ATL won't pass on a SG but it is not their focus. Their number one mission is to use 20 to improve the roster. They are interested in PG/PF/C in that order. This one threw me for a loop. 5. They are looking to move down or package 20. They are looking to move up, package future picks with 48.

This will be the 4th time I've said this in the last 2 weeks. You can't package players with a sign n trade player.

The US team is built with a lot, a lot of ISO players.

As soon as they explain how we're going to absorb that 32 million into our cap, I'll read the article.

I'm guessing he doesn't last past 36.

A real picture of what's going on in my head at any give moment. While others are seeing the matrix, I'm seeing:

If we move anyone, I'm betting Huerter (though I doubt it....we have a year to make that decision). K'Von's value is sky high right now and had he shown up against Milwaukee, NY, Chi, LA, Phi, Mia, Tor would have sold the farm to acquire him. Teams not only see Kevin as a potential top 30 type of wing but one that can be had for no more than 1/2 of a max salary in 2 years. This isn't to say Kevin is the greatest player ever but that he's seen as extremely high value. IKR

Sorry I thought I was clear. We bring in PG/SG/PF to look at. We bring in other PG/SG/PF to work out against them. We treat them all equal so we don't tip our hand. Group 1 has a PG expected to go in the teens, a SG expected to go around 20 and a PF expected to go at the end of the 2nd round. Group 2 has a PG expected to go in the 40's, a SG expected to go in the 40's and a PF expected to go in the teens. Group 1 plays group 2 in 3v3's. We're actually interested in all the players in Group 2. We're interested in the 40's for our second pick and the PF for the 1st. We bring in the teens/20's players to measure our second rounders against good talent. We bring in the 2nd round PF as a stretch 4 because we have concerns how the teens PF might guard on the perimeter. The 3 top level PG/SG aren't on our radar but they serve a purpose. To see if the 40's PG/SG can be coached up, handle better athletes, etc. they all take the visit for the reasons mentioned above. There are many examples of teams working out guys they have no interest in. The best example of late is " On the Hawks not interviewing or working out Collins during the pre-draft process: "We saw him and scouted him a lot. We sent guys to the Pro Day in L.A. I saw him play three times this year. Probably four or five times last year. So we're comfortable with him."" https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2017/6/22/15858710/nba-draft-2017-john-collins-wake-forest-travis-schlenk-analysis Everyone the Hawks worked out as a potential first rounder that year was because didn't want to tip their hand that Collins was their guy. There were some they'd have taken if they fell to them but they were locked in on him months before draft night.

Take this with a grain of salt but if I had to gauge what we're doing its likely broke down like this. 50% trade back/out of the first round, either for vet help or because the player we want can be had later. 30% stand pat. 11% acquire a second 1st round pick (using future draft capital, the 2nd rounder and Bruno or as part of a trade for Gallo). 9% trade up

So we invite 3 players at a time in we've got interest in and 3 others. Usually 1 big, 1 wing and 1 PG/SG. Most of the team workouts involve individual play, 1v1, 3v3 drills. Teams are looking at everything from stamina/heart to aggression to teamwork and being coachable. Sometimes teams bring in a 1st round talent expected to go after they pick, just to work out the 2nd round talent they are looking and see how he matches up. In the event we don't welcome 3 main and 3 competitive players, typically a coach steps into the "opponent" role. Of the 40 or 50 players a team brings in, they are typically only looking at 10-12. So your first question is...why would a 1st round pick go somewhere that may not pick him? 1, you never know whose mind you'll change and bump your worth. 2, you never know what local media might say about you that might bump your worth. 3, you never, ever want to be labeled the guy that doesn't want to play, compete, tryout. 4. your handlers will push you to take as many of these visits as possible and push your most serious visits back in the process some. This allows you to feel how teams will work you out and give you a chance to impress others later, let your team know any red flags about your cooperation effort, mechanics, etc they might see.

If I had a Yoga instructor, mine would. My focus needs more focus.

Hey, something we disagree on! I believe he really, really could have used that full year of college but I don't doubt his ability. I doubt the work ethic and the people he surrounds himself with. I think he's gotten some bad advice over the years.

@Diesel Let me see if I can redirect those energies of yours Over the years, ECF/WCF/Finals appearances have been littered with players who other teams gave up on during the their rookie contracts. Can you provide me a list of players in the first 3 years of their NBA experience that A.) Their teams are willing to move and B.) Their potential has not been tapped. C) were taken in the first 15 or so picks. That's what I think we need to get over the hump, not "superstars". I'm looking for bargains (SA mentality). Get me that list and I'll show you a list of trades we can do.