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Beat me. I freaking hate Boston. I hate their fans, I hate their color scheme, their floor and pretty much everything associated with them. And right one queue, they're sitting 7 to make it that much harder for us to get the 4 seed. On the bright side, they played an OT game yesterday and everyone playing for Boston will have fresh legs.

@sturt @RedDawg#8 @macdaddy To the above discussion, I believe there is one xfactor not being discussed. The week off from games is going to give Nate 3-5 practices to work on some things he's seen, to include Hunter/Dunn in the new dynamic and get Gallo/Hunter/Huerter/Trae all with their legs under them to get back on track shooting outside. That week off is going to do wonders for the older teams, but its been just what Nate has been looking for. I'm hoping to see an improvement in half court defense as Nate will get to implement some things. There's a lot that can happen in that week, most of which (IMHO) favors the Hawks...especially in a matchup with New York.

Running some basic numbers against teams winning percentages. Based on current record, here are the expected records of the top 4 teams in each conference in an 82 game season. Philly 55 Brooklyn 54 Milwaukee 53 Atlanta 46 (*under Nate - 57, under LP - 32) - IE, Atlanta's winning percentage under Nate would net them the top spot in the East this year, tied for 2nd in the league. Utah 58.5 Phoenix 57 Clippers 55 Denver 54 Point being that all of the top 4 seeds in this year's playoffs would have finished with a worse record than the 2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks, a team that was smoked 0-4 by the Cleveland Cavaliers. There is no juggernaut. Brooklyn has underperformed expectations. Milwaukee and Philly both have flaws. Utah/Phoenix are both beatable. The Hawks have beat every team in this list at least once this year except Utah. Both games played without BB, 1 without Trae. There is no juggernaut. All of the top 4 seeds in the East are susceptible to an upset in the 1st round (everyone should be terrified of playing Washington). The likely path for the Hawks lines up like this Round 1 Miami Round 2 Philly Round 3 Mil/Brooklyn Round 4 one of Utah, Pho/LAC. I am not saying we will win it all but the only teams with the same or better winning percentages this year compared to the % under Nate is Utah/Pho. This is very doable as long as we stay healthy.

Glad I'm not the only one. That pull up 3 he missed, with no one under the basket, had me grumbling quite a bit.

dunno but he looks every bit like a budding star. Very marketable too! Never going to wonder where his next meal is coming from.

Just gotta say, I really like Hachimura. He's gonna be special one day. Wiz got a good player there.

And just like that...Oladipo to have season ending surgery.

Yep..that was covered above.

And if a frog had wings it wouldn't land on its butt when it hopped.

One interesting scenario here is lets pretend Miami wins out, NY wins out and the Hawks finish 2-1. Atlanta gets the 6th seed and would face Milwaukee. At full strength, Atlanta is a tougher out against Milwaukee than either the Knicks or Heat. I'd have to think right now that Milwaukee is rooting hard for Atlanta to win out, for the Knicks to stumble. Even more interesting is all of NY, Mil, ATL, Mia are all getting healthy at the same time. Injury report for all 4 teams. ATL - Out Cam Reddish MIA - Game time decision - Victor Oladipo, Jimmy Butler MIL - Game time decision - Axel Toupane NY - Game time decision - Quickley, Burks, Robinson

If the Hawks lose all 3, NY Loses all 3, Boston wins all 3 we'd be pushed out of the top 6 I believe. I think Rowland included NY in that equation where it doesn't apply to Atlanta. Charlotte is 5 games behind the Hawks and would have no impact on us. Boston is 3 games back and technically has impact but only if tied with NY. Atlanta holds a tiebreaker with Boston so this only matters if Atlanta, NY, Boston were all tied.

@TheNorthCydeRises will appreciate this. Taken from: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-betting-nets-most-popular-title-bet-but-le-bron-and-lakers-loom-large-170342718.html Below are the teams still mathematically alive and their odds. Hawks are now up to 10th/11th on the list and tied with Dallas. The Hawks were over +16000 in February and depending on the site you look at, now +5000 (ish). Current NBA title odds Nets: +230 Lakers: +500 Clippers: +500 76ers: +700 Jazz: +700 Bucks: +900 Suns: +1400 Nuggets: +2500 Heat: +3500 Hawks: +5000 Mavericks: +5000 Trail Blazers: +6600 Knicks: +8000 Celtics: +10000 Warriors: +15000 Grizzlies: +20000 Wizards: +20000 Hornets: +25000 Spurs: +25000 Bulls: +50000 Pacers: +50000 Pelicans: +50000 Kings: +100000

So 3 games left...Atlanta, Miami and New York all have a 38-31 record. Head to Head Atlanta holds the head to head tie breaker with Miami. Miami holds the head to head tie breaker with NY. NY hold the head to head tie breaker with ATL. If all 3 end with the same record, Atl gets the 4th seed as their tie breaker with Miami gives them the division title and thereby the top spot. If Atlanta loses all 3 games (unlikely) and Boston wins all 3. Atlanta holds that tiebreaker. If Miami loses all 3 and Boston wins all 3, Miami wins that tiebreaker. If NY loses all 3 and Boston wins all 3, Boston will hold the tie breaker pushing the Knicks to 7th. Best / worst case Atlanta 4-6. Best/Worst case Miami 4-6 Best Worst case NY 4-play in. Best worst case Boston 6 - play in.

Newest...passing 275 now

I guess its time to be really honest about something.....this team was built with wings...the top 3 are out. It should really be obvious to everyone watching right now how important Kevin and an on track Bogdanovic have been. What follows are the top 20 - 5 man units employed by the Hawks by minutes. Trae Young is in 16 of those groups. Capela - 14 of those groups. Huerter 14. Trae does Trae things and they are really obvious. Capela does Capela things and they are really obvious but Huerter does a smidge of everything and in doing so gets lost in the wash of how valuable he's been. 1 Young-Huerter-Reddish-Collins-Capela 190.2 1.19 1.24 -24 6 5 54.5 2 Young-Huerter-Snell-Collins-Capela 179.7 1.21 1.10 +36 8 6 57.1 3 Young-Huerter-Bogdanovic-Hill-Capela 95.6 1.33 1.14 +48 7 3 70.0 4 Young-Hunter-Reddish-Collins-Capela 95.0 1.17 1.02 +31 7 2 77.7 5 Young-Huerter-Hunter-Collins-Capela 92.3 1.10 0.94 +32 7 2 77.7 6 Young-Huerter-Snell-Gallinari-Collins 90.0 1.32 1.15 +41 9 5 64.2 7 Goodwin-Huerter-Bogdanovic-Hill-Capela 69.8 1.21 1.04 +20 5 2 71.4 8 Young-Huerter-Hill-Collins-Capela 50.2 1.40 1.23 +11 5 3 62.5 9 Young-Huerter-Bogdanovic-Collins-Capela 48.0 1.25 1.07 +19 3 3 50.0 10 Young-Bogdanovic-Snell-Collins-Capela 45.1 1.24 1.45 -15 1 4 20.0 11 Young-Huerter-Hunter-Reddish-Collins 44.6 1.17 1.35 -18 3 6 33.3 12 Young-Huerter-Snell-Gallinari-Capela 36.6 1.20 0.91 +27 5 2 71.4 13 Young-Bogdanovic-Snell-Hill-Capela 31.5 1.19 1.17 -1 2 2 50.0 14 Rondo-Bogdanovic-Hill-Gallinari-Okongwu 29.4 1.15 1.14 +4 2 2 50.0 15 Young-Huerter-Reddish-Gallinari-Collins 29.4 1.01 1.32 -12 5 4 55.5 16 Young-Bogdanovic-Snell-Gallinari-Capela 29.1 1.09 0.82 +13 5 2 71.4 17 Goodwin-Mays-Okongwu-Fernando-Knight 28.7 1.11 0.98 +7 5 3 62.5 18 Young-Huerter-Hunter-Reddish-Capela 26.0 1.06 1.29 -14 2 6 25.0 19 Young-Huerter-Hill-Gallinari-Capela 22.7 1.55 1.34 +18 6 4 60.0 20 L.Williams-Huerter-Snell-Gallinari-Okongwu 21.4 1.28 1.26 -3 2 2 50.0 His most productive position has been the SF where he posts a 20.8 PER/48min and his opponent posts a 16.2. Despite that being his natural position now, he's played the 1-4 when asked this year and held his own most nights. In order for this team to flourish, I believe you need a healthy Kevin backing up the 2/3 getting the majority of his minutes at the 3. You need a healthy Hunter, BB back and you have keep playing the defense they played 3 weeks ago.

I'm not sour on Dunn yet. 15 month layoff. I was expecting 10+ games for him to get his mind/body/reaction times right. Plus he's learning a new system, teammates, everything. Nothing you see from Dunn right now can be taken too seriously.

Through April 27

I love Dunn, he plays the game the right way. Wasn't okay with the showboating. He and Trae got the tech Nate should have Monday.

Ya, I was spitballin...not saying I knew anything.

Game this one a bit of thought. John is not a Nate big. Nate might be okay with phasing him out. Nate likes defensive bigs.

I know Nate's philosophy is calls work out in the wash but he needed to get into a ref and chew someone out. We are a finesse team and this is 2 games in a row where bully ball was attempted to slow us down. The refs have got to call a game even or someone is going to get seriously hurt.

I waited till this morning to post (I was not in a good frame of mind to do it). Today was the first time I wasn't 100% in Nate's corner. The Hawks were getting fouled, hard and consistently all game with few calls. Nate needs to take a tech there and protect his guys. I know they need to toughen up for the playoffs but that is the coach's job to protect his guys. 1st time I've had anything negative to say about Nate (and I don't expect many) but I was pretty frustrated last night. If I was coaching, I'd have been tossed early in the 3rd at the minimum.

but you don't have to beat all 5....you just gotta beat 1

The low down on Dunn's offense. He got a bit of a bad rap in Chicago. They wanted him to be their engine and score as well as create. He was too young and the supporting case was not good enough to help. He is a good floor general. Gets guys into the right sets. He is an average to better than average playmaker but also can make bad decision/telegraph where he is going with the ball. He is lower tier starting point guard offensively and that's mostly due to inconsistent shooting. His mechanics aren't terrible but they are, well...mechanical. (career 72.6% free throw shooter) He is a bit stiff and considering he is more muscular than your average point guard, that makes sense. Flexibility training could do him wonders. Basically, if you've ever played basketball with running back, you know exactly what I'm saying. If you want to point to flaws shooting, its an inconsistent release point (vertical) and rushing his shots / not shooting in rhythm. But he his good at running the team, protecting the ball on the dribble. He'll play a slower pace than Trae but not as slow as Bogi.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-betting-championship-odds-shift-with-two-huge-bets-on-the-atlanta-hawks-193202452.html "NBA betting: Championship odds shift with two huge bets on the Atlanta Hawks?" Read story above. In short, a bettor (or 2) placed 2 wagers on the Hawks. Both wagers were $10,000 and one was 50 to 1 to win the East and the other was 150 to 1 to win the NBA Championship. Should the Hawks win, the bet would pay $2 million.