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thecampster

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  1. Well to be fair, the OKC pick is pretty much guaranteed to be in the 2nd round now.
  2. The original cost of 6 to 2 was 6+Huerter+ OKC....moving to 1 is a different story.
  3. If you have 6 and 14, you'd be better served to take Killian Hayes and BPA at 14.
  4. https://cbabreakdown.com/trades A team may extend and trade a player within these rules. An extension-and-trade is allowed if (i) the contract covers no more than 3 seasons (including any years remaining in the original contract), (ii) the salary in the first year of the extended term is no more than 105% of the salary in the last year of the original term, and (iii) the annual salary increases are no more than 5% of the salary in the first season covered by the extended term. To prevent teams from getting around these limitations, teams cannot trade any player that signs an extension covering more than 3 seasons, a higher salary, or with larger annual increases for the next 6 months. Similarly, if a team receives a player in a trade, then for the next 6 months following that trade the team cannot sign the player to an extension that would violate the limitations for an extension-and-trade transaction. Also...I covered this already.
  5. 1 you'd have to get to 1. Minny is set to take Edwards at 1.
  6. The extension can be for 2 more years and would be for something like $30 million per year. Huerter, 14+6 might be enough...may cost the OKC pick as well.
  7. So why do the Hawks do this? Get Hayward....legitimacy. You'll get 1 more to want to come here. Also there is the possibility of then packaging 6+14+future assets to move up (if that's what you want to do).
  8. That's nothing...you should see me bake.
  9. So let me complicate this further. If you're Boston, you can use your TP to acquire a player...then you can trade Dedmon and take back $13.3 million + 25%. That's how Boston and L.A. swing it. Then give away their draft picks to get people to take their mistakes but operate above the cap and LT perpetually.
  10. Holy crap 29 notifications....come on people.
  11. Once the draft happens a cap hold happens for that rookie drafted (unless stashed). The deal from my perspective reduces Atlanta's cap room by 21 million + the value of the pick ($2.8 million). This leaves $20 to $24 million in room for the Hawks. Take the outgoing salary + $20 million + $5 million and that's what we can take back. Assume we are sending out $4 million, we could take back in this scenario about $29 million in salary in the other 3 way deal. its cleaner for sure.
  12. I can never find these things when I want to....
  13. 3 months not 6. Sign and trade agreements[edit] Main article: Sign-and-trade deal When a team is willing to sign an upcoming free agent, but the player's current team wants something in return, it might be in the best interest of both clubs to execute a sign-and-trade deal. This occurs when one team signs one of its free agents and immediately trades that player to another team. A sign-and-trade is beneficial to both the player and the teams; the player receives a bigger contract than he might ordinarily get from a team that he would like to play for, while the trading club gets something in return for a free agent, and the recipient of the trade gets the player they desire. Sign-and-trades are a reality in the NBA because of the CBA's rules: unlike baseball, where teams losing free agents are compensated with draft picks or cash, NBA teams that lose free agents receive no compensation. When a team initiates a sign-and-trade agreement, it must trade the signed player immediately; teams cannot renege on the arrangement and keep the player for themselves, using the other team's financial situation to leverage the signee into a more favorable deal for themselves. Also, the contract signed before the trade must be for at least 3 years, with the first year guaranteed. Because of the contract length requirement, the signing team cannot use an exception that cannot be used to offer a contract of 3 or more years.[75] Since the 2011 CBA, the signed player must have been on the roster of his previous team at the end of the last regular season. Previous agreements allowed teams to sign-and-trade any player to whom they held Bird rights, which do not automatically disappear with a player's retirement—for example, in July 2012, the Los Angeles Lakers still held Bird rights to John Salley, who had not played since 2000. In the 2007–08 season, two teams used sign-and-trades on players who had been out of the league. The Dallas Mavericks signed Keith Van Horn out of retirement as part of a package to acquire Jason Kidd, and the Lakers did the same with Aaron McKie to facilitate their deal for Pau Gasol.[76] The 2011 CBA put further restrictions on sign-and-trades, with these restrictions maintained in the 2017 CBA. Since the 2013–14 season, the payroll of the receiving team cannot exceed the so-called "apron" (as of 2017–18 set at $6 million above the tax line) as a result of the trade, and a team that has used the taxpayers' MLE cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade in that season. Additionally, the apron becomes a hard salary cap for the first season after the signing. Teams above the apron before the trade cannot receive a player unless the trade leaves the team below the apron.[75] Trading and the salary cap[edit] Teams below the salary cap may trade without regard to salary, as long as they don't end up more than $100,000 above the cap following a trade. Teams above the cap (or teams below the cap but would end up more than $100,000 over the cap following a trade) cannot acquire more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary they trade away. Under the 2011 CBA, teams that remain below the luxury tax threshold even after the trade can acquire the lesser of 150% plus $100,000, or 100% plus $5 million, of the salary they trade away.[5] There is no lower limit—teams may divest themselves of as much salary as they wish (or can convince another team to take on) in a trade. No free agent signed in the offseason can be traded until December 15 of that year or until three months have passed (whichever comes later), a rule that prevents teams from signing free agents with the intent of using them strictly as trade fodder. For draft picks this moratorium lasts 30 days. If teams acquire a player in a trade, they are allowed to trade that player straight-up for another individual player immediately. However, if teams wish to package that player with another and trade for a more expensive player, they must wait 60 days before doing so. The tight salary-matching rules of the 2005 CBA often required what NBA cap analyst Larry Coon called "trade ballast"—extra players added to a deal solely for salary matching, who would typically be waived by their new teams. Under that CBA, such players were restricted from rejoining their original teams for 30 days during the season or 20 days in the offseason. This led to what Coon called "wink-wink deals where players are traded with the full expectation of returning later." A notable example of such a deal occurred in the 2009–10 season, in which the Cleveland Cavaliers included Zydrunas Ilgauskas in their trade with the Washington Wizards for Antawn Jamison. Ilgauskas was waived a week later without ever appearing in a game for the Wizards, and re-signed with Cleveland after the 30-day waiting period passed. Since the 2011 CBA, a player acquired in a trade and waived by his new team cannot re-sign with his original team until one year after the trade or July 1 after the expiration of his contract, whichever is sooner.[5] Base year compensation[edit] Certain players in the first few months of a new contract are subject to base year compensation (BYC). The intent of BYC is to prevent teams from re-signing players to salaries specifically targeted to match other salaries in a trade (in other words, salary should be based on basketball value, not trade value). A BYC player's trade value as outgoing salary is 50% of his new salary, or his previous salary, whichever is greater. BYC applies only to players who re-sign with their previous team and receive a raise greater than 20%. It also applies only when (and as long as) the team is over the salary cap. Since the 2011 CBA, players subject to BYC cannot be traded before January 15 except in a sign-and-trade, and BYC is only applied to outgoing salary in sign-and-trade deals.[5] This is the section that keeps them from getting a TPE in sign and trade.
  14. You could sign and trade him if his contract expired. But as I understand it...not in the case of him opting out to be signed and traded.
  15. If he opts out, he is no longer Boston property...you can't sign a player and use him in a trade for 6 months. You can extend and trade because he was your asset for 6 months already but if he opts out, he's done on Boston's books. We are holding all the cards here and can hold this ransom. If Hayward opts out and signs with us...Boston will get a few million under the cap and won't be able to sign or trade for anyone beyond the 125% rule. Boston is over a barrel with this (as I brought up weeks ago). I knew this was possible and was discussed but it was just discussion then. If we don't get that 14th pick...this is a loss for Schlenk and I'll start to jump on the anti Shlenk train.
  16. IMHO its a win win trade....it'll piss me off...but its a win win.
  17. Kanter is leaving...they need a Center and have asked about Dedmon.
  18. If Kanter opts out, and we did the trade I mentioned, they'll have 13 players on the roster (not including Tacko Fall). So they'll have 2 slots to fill and 3 draft picks + a TPE. The TPE becomes 1 player and they send out a pick for it. The other pick comes our way. Pick 3 = their 15th player or is used in the trade and they use MLE to sign another vet.
  19. We however could just sign him out right...which means we're looking for extra compensation for the TPE.
  20. Full disclaimer....I am not saying this is what happens but you asked how and this is the how I would be trading for if I was Travis. yes...we can't trade for him without the opt in. They can't sign and trade him. He has to opt in and be traded or extended and traded....only way they get compensation.
  21. to be perfectly honest, they don't want that salary on the books. It limits them in signing whoever they sign with trade for with that TPE....they would still like to crawl under the LT if they can.
  22. So in my Dedmon scenario....there is a $21 million difference in salary....this grants them a $26 million TPE... that + Dedmon is more than worth that 14th pick.
  23. and the TPE is based on the 1st year / current year salary...not any extended salary.
  24. That's the easiest guess I can get to given both team's needs.
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