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As brought to you by members of this board a week ago. Sources tell Vecenie that the Timberwolves still haven’t finalized a decision on what they’ll do with their No. 1 pick, as they expect “real” trade offers to start coming in during the next couple days. However, Givony and Woo have both heard that most teams around the NBA are operating as if the Wolves will select Anthony Edwards if they stay put. – via Hoops Rumors Anthony Edwards, Draft, Trade, Minnesota Timberwolves

Well to be fair...Hayes is most probably going to be the best point guard in this draft but he'll take a bit longer. Anthony should be able to play meaningful minutes fairly quickly.

I've read 2 mocks that have Okoro falling out of the top 10. I could see a scenario where would do this deal if it landed us Okoro and Anthony. However (first thing I can break). The rumors involving the Hawks and GS do have legs. The rumors involving the Hawks and Knicks are a bit shorter legs. The rumors involving the Hawks/SA have even shorter legs. But all have legs. There are articles out there when San Antonio has tried to be involved and fleece everyone (not likely) by dangling Derozan (if he opts in) and Aldridge. Any San Antonio article where we we lose Reddish and 6 are writer click bait. But there have been talks with SA as a third team facilitator. The offers changed in the last 48 hours as teams are starting to get serious. I'm hoping to hear something later today. IMHO we are > 70% likely to move out of 6. There are no less than 8 possible options. Back to GS. GS board goes Edwards, Wiseman and a list of guys who would be available at or after 6. If Edwards does not go 1, GS holds their pick and takes Edwards (this is more than highly likely). If Edwards goes 1 its 30/70 GS holds the pick at 2 (more than 2/1 they trade it and we are in that mix).

If he does this its because Cole Anthony is available there as well as a few others.

News should/will pop by tomorrow on what we're doing.

But what practical purpose does sending out Dedmon/Huerter at <$18 million for LaVine ($19.5 million) serve? Technically this absorbs $2 million more in space for LaVine and pushes either Cam or Hunter to the bench.

Practical cap is what you can get to. Holds are things that must be handled in order. As long as the player with the hold is not renounced or not signed by another team, the hold remains. So in order to do a trade with lopsided salaries moving from 2 squads, the hold players would need to be waived first or signed by other teams or signed to lower salaries with their current teams. Some times you hear these things done when salaries rules don't match but what matters (during the off season) is the order the NBA processes the transactions. So in a deal where Siakam leaves, something has to happen with those other 3 players. The question you'd have to ask yourself is "is acquiring a player for Siakam worth losing 2 of those if they're retainable?".

Seriously!!! You don't trade a locked in $4 million for a locked in $30 million.

It is time to put a small bit of speculation to bed. 1st any incoming deal would add to Atlanta's cap, not subtract. 2nd all players involved need to be signed already since this is a 3 team trade that will technically occur on the 20-21 books. Issues with the Toronto deal discussed. Although Toronto has practical cap space, they currently have cap holds that push them to a theoretical cap of 210 million (or 101 million over the cap). They have cap holds on Van Fleet, Ibaka and Gasol that add up to $90 million. Because the proposed deal doesn't land Toronto within 5 million of the salary they are sending in and out, they would have to deal with all 3 of the above before being able to trade Siakam. Same song, Indiana has 126 million in cap allocations. Their in and out salary will also need to be within trade norms. Assuming the deal is Dedmon and Huerter out - That is less than 18 million in outgoing salary from Atlanta. This now places Atlanta with a theoretical $63 million in space to absorb players from the trade and sign 1 player (like Hayward). In order to meet Supes qualification that this would present us with cap issues and assuming any deal for Hayward would be about $25m/per...this would mean Atlanta would be taking back at least a player of Siakam's salary level and then a bit. You guys are trying to simplify it, but the moving pieces won't fit as 2 of the teams involved would still remain over the cap and not receive equivalent salary value.

Attempting to out sources is the number one way to stop the information flow. Try to avoid this please.

Start from the beginning and you'll see there is a lot in this thread that did happen. The teams may have changed or the pieces but many of the things discussed in this thread over the last year plus had legs. They just didn't materialize as first presented.

JC is under contract to the Hawks for this year. Hawks have the right to match any deal next year. Teams offering an RFA tend to either offer less because they worry the team will match or over offer. There will only be a few teams who will be able to over offer for JC next year. We control his fate for 5 years if you look at it right.

Teams that need to shed salary. Team Practical cap space 1 Philadelphia 76ers - $-39,003,765 2 Golden State Warriors - $-36,597,266 3 Boston Celtics - $-25,986,327 4 Brooklyn Nets - $-25,588,935 5 Houston Rockets - $-19,680,493 6 Indiana Pacers - $-16,127,028 7 Milwaukee Bucks - $-14,426,979 8 Orlando Magic - $-7,914,210 9 Utah Jazz - $-7,437,199 10 Los Angeles Clippers - $-6,701,023 11 San Antonio Spurs - $-6,065,150 12 Los Angeles Lakers - $-5,714,478 13 Memphis Grizzlies - $-4,197,964 14 Cleveland Cavaliers - $-1,054,828

NO!

This deal sends out 13.3 million in Dedmon before accepting in any salary. So as long as we take back less than $25 to $30 million (depending on your accountant) then we are definitely in the Hayward mix.

KP jr by a whole lot.

I talked about this a month ago about the value of the late round 1sts this year. Lakers' cap and roster situation made this pick less important and the locked in roster slot for OKC for 4 years was highly important.

One of the things I was sitting on and why we speak in riddles some times. Because deals fall apart. "Kevin O’Connor: Sources: The Bucks pursued a trade with the Thunder for Dennis Schröder and were deep in trade negotiations last week. Ultimately, the Lakers landed Schröder. Now the Bucks must move on to other targets. Eric Bledsoe remains the player Milwaukee is dangling most in trade talks." 31 mins ago – via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA

Start believing what you see in the news starting around Nov 17.

Derozan is set to make 27.7 million this year and then be a free agent. Cam is tied up for the rest of his rookie contract at a reasonable average of 4.7 million a year for 3 years. 1 year of Derozan for 2x the salary of Reddish for 3....this is BS.

The original start date for Free Agency was looking like the 15th/16th. Teams have deals in place but were set to go by this weekend. Free agency was pushed back to the 20th with the first day you can sign contracts being the 22nd. Technically any team other than the one a player is with can have no contact with that player until free agency begins. Players often use proxies to put things in motion pre-free agency. Technically its still tampering but the league has turned a blind eye thus far. The way this usually works is 1-2 days before free agency begins, you will start to get heavy media leaks about deals. 70+ percent of which will be true at that point. This year is an anomaly though as the draft is Nov 18. Teams need to have their trades ready to go on the 20th but you'll see "will be trading" announcements during the draft. Any player movement will be trades in theory. Team A will be selecting player X for team B....if and only if there are moving pieces/players involved. Until teams know they're going to be able to sign a certain free agent, they won't be able to leak what they're working on or risk ruining that deal and violating tampering restrictions. Sources are extremely wary of letting what they know be known around this time because of the momentary freeze on transactions. Nobody with sources will be able to say anything official for the next few days on anything that might impact free agency. Why you aren't hearing anything from us....or alternatively "how the hell is supes so silent, that guy never shuts up". There are a few teams holding the keys to the kingdom in the draft right now. In order they are Minnesota, Golden State, Atlanta, Boston. These are dominos that must fall in order to expose the flurry of trades (if any) that will follow. Nobody wants to trade until they know what Minny is doing. If Minny goes Ball, no less than 3 teams will want to tradeup for Wiseman and another 4 or 5 for Edwards. If Minny goes Edwards, Ball becomes an extremely hot commodity. If Minny goes Wiseman, its most probably because they are playing trade partners against each other and holding the player for ransom. Once Minny goes, Golden State will either trade out with any of 9 teams who could still want that pick or they could take the player they want (Wiseman or Edwards per rumors). Once those two teams go, teams will have an idea of how the next 3 picks will go and will realize if their guy will be available at 6. It will identify the dance partners for Atlanta and Atlanta will know if they are picking or trading. I'd be surprised to see Atlanta announce anything with #6 before draft night. The sleeper here is Boston. Boston has been trying to move their 3 picks to get into the lottery for a big. If that works, it changes things for Atlanta considerably. It means more coveted players will slide and we will have even more trading options. The silence is that there are too many moving pieces because Minny thinks they can spin this #1 selection into a treasure trove to set them up for years. They are trying to squeeze out all the value out of it. IMHO, they're going to end up using the pick and screwing it up.

NBA analysts are always downplaying the Hawks. I was saying don't believe them. Westbrook is not the only big name that would like to team up with Trae.

Do not believe anything analysts are saying about Atlanta right now. The players, coaches, agents are well aware of what we're building. They know we now have Capella, Dedmon. They know JC was out a significant portion of last year and it busted our season. The entire league is intrigued by Cam as our eventual 3rd/4th option. A lineup of Trae, Westbrook, Cam, Collins and Capella would be impossible to guard nightly. You would have 2 free throw machines on the floor at all times. Yes Westbrook and many players around the league see Atlanta as up and coming the next 2 years. You are going to hear a ton of noise about vets wanting to play with Trae. Trae means aging vets do not have to work as hard to keep their stats high or their salary value for that matter.

That's a quota post man. he's gotta post something to meet his view quota. Its click bait but sounds reasonable since we have the cap to absorb. NY would be a much more likely destination (IMHO).

Moving back is less guaranteed salary from the pick. They could use 6 to trade out of Dedmon if a better option is there....say someone opting out who wants to sign a long term deal.