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I had it down as fully non-guaranteed (because I trusted color coding to be accurate).

You are correct, I have bad information. If waived in the last year it's partially guaranteed.

Exactly, which is why we want to use our space to take on someone else's sacrifice to the LT gods. An easy example is Andrew Wiggins. If GS can find a trading partner, he'll be sacrificed on the altar of of the LT Repeat Offender God (who happens to be a wrathful and unforgiving diety).

Assuming a cap of $109 million (6 million less than this year). Only Atlanta, NY, Detroit and maybe Sacremento/N.O. would have enough cap space to absorb all of Horford's salary. Of those, only Atlanta and NY have enough room to still make moves after. Atlanta has about $45 million cap space all things being equal. If they acquired Horford and the 21st pick, they would still have about $16 million more to play with. For the Knicks its a bit more complicated because it requires them to not resign players they want to keep. But assuming they did that, they'd have $15 million ish after the acquisition. Pretty much everyone else either can't or it blows the rest of their cap. Horford's deal is for 2 more years guaranteed. After the 20/21 season, Horford will be on his last year guaranteed and will then be an expiring deal....this is very attractive to teams looking to make a run at the next year's free agents. So a Horford trade is really a 1 year rental. Basically you'd be giving up a 2nd round pick and cap space for 1 year of Horford, the 21st pick and whatever long term contract you trade Horford for after 1 year. Horford is hard to trade out now because its 2 years of salary that affects 2 years of free agent classes. He's easier to trade next year because he's only 1 year of salary and then off the books for a team setting up for free agency.

Let me clarify that....the Horford deal is a real possibility, they just are a bit limited on what assets they can give up to dump him and its very dependent on if the NBA brings back the amnesty for a year to help teams deal with the new cap (very possible. It would look like this Philly trades Al Horford + the 21st pick in this year's draft Atlanta trades Cleveland or Atlanta's 2nd round pick in 2021 (whichever is lower). Why Atlanta does it - Horford comes in and plays backup center/pf getting 15+ minutes per night for 1 year and is traded at the all-star break or season end as an expiring. Atlanta gets Cole Anthony. Total cap cost to Hawks - (about $29.5 million) Why Philly does it - Philly can't make any significant moves until Horford's contract is gone. Atlanta is one of only 4 teams that can clear the entire cap space.

No I get that and I'm a word smith, no hate in my body. My bigger fear is we're trading down a few slots thinking there's a big man we want and it doesn't materialize. I'm always nervous about sliding down 5 only to find out the player you were targeting goes 1 slot ahead of where you landed. I believe #6 is a trade down scenario to acquire a contributing player/salary and pick up a future pick (unless it's Boston and then we'd be grabbing 14 and future considerations). I think us getting in on picks 20-25 is a 2nd or Bruno (depending on what we're getting) to take on a contract and get a pick, maybe more. Something like the Philly deal for 21 + Horford and we only give up a future 2nd.

and at this point I'd be completely shocked if we stay at 6. Should probably get that out of your noggin right now. 6 is just a placeholder.

He won't be going "high". He's going to go somewhere around/after pick 20 (20-25 ish more precisely). He'd be learning year one, getting some minutes year 2, Trae's backup year 3. That's not crazy for the 20th+ pick.

Don't be surprised if the Hawks trade #6 if they get back in the back half of the draft and take Cole Anthony to develop as a backup point guard.

The first and second rules of Hawksquawk.

I thought I was wrong once......but I was mistaken.

When people are evaluating our roster, I think they forget this key piece. Capela never suited up for the Hawks, Skal never suited up for the Hawks. Collins missed 26 games and was still wasn't back to his old self till about January 14th. He was up and down up until then. From last year's squad we basically have added Capela, Skal, Collins, Teague. This is a far better roster than we had in November last year. From Jan 14th till the end of the season, Collins was 23.96 ppg/10.37 rpg and the Hawks were a much better team going 12-15. Add Capela, Skal everyone is a year older, add Teague (or other vet PG) and you're a plus 500 club next year...depending on who else is brought in.

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Interrupting this thread to send all of you over to The Lounge. Trying to get a hot or not for high tops started and Spud won't play.

I think he'll be going in a salary swap. Like moving Young's 13 million per for a 6-10 mil contract...etc....I could easily see him moved to NY. If you use this tool https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2020/ and organize by "practical cap space" (last column). Its basically what teams would have given a $117 million cap and waiving all non-guaranteeds and free agents. You'll see the bulls at a bit less than $9 million in cap space. I'm thinking they'll want to move Young for a lesser contract to free up a few more million and see if they can take someone else's 12-13 million dollar bad fit. I could also see him packaged to take on a $20 mil salary...either way he's being shopped heavy come draft night.

so look, there is a large black population in Dallas...no question....but it is also a very small percentage of the metro population (where ticket sales come from) when compared to other metropolitan areas. Also, the wealth factors for minorities in cities like Atlanta are a perfect basis for comparison. Atlanta's population across income spectrums is just as diverse. In cities like Dallas, Salt Lake city and Boston, your sports buying client is much different and its catered to. The teams aren't "packed" that way...but there is always someone on the team to fit the city culture. Utah cried bloody murder when Hayward left and the fanbase in Boston went crazy for him. I'm speaking from a purely human perspective here, no making judgments any way or the other....its just city history and dynamic.

lol..better - established players who were overpaid the last 3 years but solid rotation guys. Thaddeus Young is one name that will probably move (just as an example).

The suburban area man, the suburban area. From Wikipedia on the Metropolitan Dallas area: "At the 2010 census,[35] there were 6,371,773 people. The racial makeup of DFW was 50.2% White, 15.4% African American, 0.6% Native American, 5.9% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 10.0% from other races, and 2.4% from two or more races. Hispanics or Latinos of any race were 27.5% of the population." Compare that with Atlanta metro where its 55.4% white but 32.4% black. Atlanta is a far more diversified city and dare I say one of the more accepting and integrated of the major cities. Atlanta does not = the deep south. We are an area all to our own. I've had numerous people visit me from other places (many from Chicago) and they come down here expecting all sorts of nonsense and then usually comment they see more confederate flags and separation up north than they do here. Dallas is 78% White and Latino. However, I apologize for even mentioning it on the main board section. I forgot that facts are often contentious things.

The first few months of Reddish shooting was pretty awful. Those were all missed stat opportunities for Trae.

Let's be fair. If Trae had 2 elite shooters around him, he'd have 15 assists per night. As Cam, Hunter continue to develop and with JC/Capela healthy, we might just see an assist season like we haven't seen in 20 years. If you could bring back every pass Trae threw to Jones, Len, Bruno, Crabbe, Bembry and have Capela/JC/Huerter healthy and taking those shots, we might have seen records fall. There were easily an average of 5 assists per night left on the table.

Deni has rocketed up the board and might go as high as 4. Call it "the Luka effect". If Wiseman, Edwards and Ball go 1,2,3 (in any order), and Deni goes 4 or 5 then logically you will have at least 2 of your picks available at 6, maybe at 8.

I am not a fan of Edwards for the Hawks, mostly because I believe Cam is a better player today and he would be about equal to Huerter right now. How do you take Huerter's 3 point shooting and ball handling off the floor right now to develop a rookie? How do you take Cam's defense, length and athleticism off the floor right now for a smaller player? There are no minutes to develop Edwards right now. I'm not sure I'd turn him away at 6 but I'm certainly not trading up for him. The only player worth trading up for in this draft is Wiseman. There are good players to be had in this draft but none save maybe Wiseman is worth trading up for (for the Hawks). At least 2 of those are going to be available at 6.

I believe that's his "my preference at 6 based on availability"

To be fair, Dallas wanting Luka had at least a little to do with race. I mentioned this privately to someone recently but there are a few cities that are definitely more white player friendly and fall for the great white hope angle. Boston and Utah, being the most well known but Indianapolis, Denver, and Dallas all fall into this category too when it comes to player acquisition.

Best/smartest comment I've heard in a week. It really is a huge part of it behind the scenes...working relationships.