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Courtesy of REALGM https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed Column 1 is incoming, column 2 is outgoing. Atlanta Hawks 2020 second round draft pick from Miami, Golden State or Houston Dallas will receive the more favorable of Golden State's 2020 2nd round pick and Houston's 2020 2nd round pick; Atlanta will receive the more favorable of (i) Miami's 2020 2nd round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Golden State pick and the Houston pick and Sacramento will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Boston to Cleveland to Sacramento; via Dallas' right to swap Golden State for Houston; via Golden State or Houston to Sacramento) [Boston-Miami, 7/27/2015; Dallas-Golden State, 7/7/2016; Boston-Cleveland, 8/22/2017; Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; Dallas-Houston, 8/2/2018; Cleveland-Houston-Sacramento, 2/7/2019; Atlanta-Sacramento, 2/6/2020] 2021 second round draft pick from Miami Miami's 2021 2nd round pick to Atlanta (via Portland to Sacramento) [Miami-Portland, 2/18/2016; Portland-Sacramento, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Sacramento, 2/6/2020] 2022 first round draft pick from Oklahoma City Oklahoma City's 2022 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 7/25/2018] 2023 second round draft pick from Charlotte or Brooklyn (second most favorable incl. Atlanta, swap, Atlanta outgoing to Philadelphia or Brooklyn) Philadelphia will receive the most favorable of Atlanta's 2023 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2023 2nd round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 2nd round pick and Atlanta will receive the second most favorable and Brooklyn will receive the least favorable of the three (via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or Charlotte for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Charlotte, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2023 second round draft pick from New Orleans New Orleans' 2023 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then New Orleans' obligation to Atlanta will be extinguished) [Atlanta-New Orleans, 7/7/2019] 2024 second round draft pick from Miami Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to Philadelphia (via Cleveland to Detroit) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or Philadelphia will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2025 second round draft pick from Brooklyn Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018] 2026 second round draft pick from Golden State Golden State's 2026 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Golden State, 7/8/2019] 2020 second round draft pick to Philadelphia or Boston Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Philadelphia protected for selections 56-60 or to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (Atlanta's obligation to Philadelphia or Boston will thereafter be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2021 second round draft pick to Brooklyn Atlanta's 2021 2nd round pick to Brooklyn [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/6/2019] 2022 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers Atlanta's 2022 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to the L.A. Clippers will be extinguished) [Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 2/6/2020] 2024 second round draft pick to Portland Atlanta's 2024 2nd round pick to Portland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Portland will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Portland, 2/6/2020] Or can be read like this (courtesy of https://tradenba.com/teams/Hawks/1/draft-picks) Incoming Draft Picks Year Round # From Details 2020 1 - Own 2020 2 - Miami, Golden State or Houston Dallas will receive the more favorable of Golden State's 2020 2nd round pick and Houston's 2020 2nd round pick; Atlanta will receive the more favorable of (i) Miami's 2020 2nd round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Golden State pick and the Houston pick and Sacramento will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Boston to Cleveland to Sacramento; via Dallas' right to swap Golden State for Houston; via Golden State or Houston to Sacramento) [Boston-Miami, 7/27/2015; Dallas-Golden State, 7/7/2016; Boston-Cleveland, 8/22/2017; Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; Dallas-Houston, 8/2/2018; Cleveland-Houston-Sacramento, 2/7/2019; Atlanta-Sacramento, 2/6/2020] 2021 1 - Own 2021 2 - Miami Miami's 2021 2nd round pick to Atlanta (via Portland to Sacramento) [Miami-Portland, 2/18/2016; Portland-Sacramento, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Sacramento, 2/6/2020] 2022 1 - Own 2022 1 - Oklahoma City Oklahoma City's 2022 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 7/25/2018] 2023 1 - Own 2023 2 - Own 2023 2 - Charlotte or Brooklyn (second most favorable incl. Atlanta, swap, Atlanta outgoing to Philadelphia or Brooklyn) Philadelphia will receive the most favorable of Atlanta's 2023 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2023 2nd round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 2nd round pick and Atlanta will receive the second most favorable and Brooklyn will receive the least favorable of the three (via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or Charlotte for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Charlotte, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2023 2 - New Orleans New Orleans' 2023 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then New Orleans' obligation to Atlanta will be extinguished) [Atlanta-New Orleans, 7/7/2019] 2024 1 - Own 2024 2 - Miami Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to Philadelphia (via Cleveland to Detroit) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or Philadelphia will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2025 1 - Own 2025 2 - Own 2025 2 - Brooklyn Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018] 2026 1 - Own 2026 2 - Own 2026 2 - Golden State Golden State's 2026 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Golden State, 7/8/2019] Outgoing Draft Picks Year Round # To Details 2020 2 - Philadelphia or Boston Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Philadelphia protected for selections 56-60 or to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (Atlanta's obligation to Philadelphia or Boston will thereafter be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019] 2021 2 - Brooklyn Atlanta's 2021 2nd round pick to Brooklyn [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/6/2019] 2022 2 - L.A. Clippers Atlanta's 2022 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to the L.A. Clippers will be extinguished) [Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 2/6/2020] 2024 2 - Portland Atlanta's 2024 2nd round pick to Portland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Portland will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Portland, 2/6/2020]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nba-players-on-restart-plan-not-so-fast-11592139635 So I was thinking about this while rolling out of bed this morning. Funny how I wrote this in the context of Covid and forcing players back to work. This was just 5 weeks ago. Now this is coming to fruition but with a completely different reason. I am wondering though if the other issues aren't giving the players cover who still fear Covid and don't want to return for that reason.

Collins was a 20+, 10 guy last year well before his prime. One single top 5 pick is not good value for a sure thing. If you drafted top 5, you are hoping to get 20/10 but its still a crap shoot. The only thing against John is he plays PF, the easiest position in the league to fill with someone serviceable. Collins - Attitude Check Locker room check Inside game, check outside game, check plays above the rim, check plays defense (check/sort of) Rebounds check blocks shots, check Negatives PF 1 positive test. I love James Wiseman. He is my number one player to get in this draft. But if you told me the Hawks had the number 2 pick and GS was willing to give us number 1 for Collins, ensuring me I could get Wiseman/Edwards or other.....I would say no. That is how much I believe John has 10 more all star level years in him.

So Youngest team in the NBA last year at the start of the season was the Phoenix Suns at 24.49 years. The Hawks were 25.76 years and that's with old man Carter throwing off the average by 1.12 years. The Mavericks began the year at an average age of 27.4 years. Of course Dallas is going to be farther along than Atlanta, their core roster is 3+ years more experienced, more grown, more time in the weight room. These guys drive me nuts with their "he's being marketed", he's too small, he's too.....its really simple. Age is potentially the number 1 most important factor in the NBA. The great Chicago Bulls teams are maybe the best example of this. Jordan year 1 - 38.-44 Jordan year 2 - 30-52 Jordan year 3 - 40-42 Jordan year 4 - 50-32 Michael Jordan didn't come into the league until he was the age Trae is right now (almost to the day) and it still took him 4 years to have a winning record. The GOAT, his Airness couldn't lead his team to a winning record until he was 26 years old. Age and maturity is everything. Comparing Trae, with his incredibly young and injured roster to Luka and veteran, prime roster is one of the most dishonest things I've ever heard....and I know they know. They are either incredibly dishonest or incredibly stupid and all evidence to the contrary, I believe its dishonesty. Because truth doesn't get ratings. Keep this core together 3 years and they'll beat the NBA into submission. tinker because you're impatient and its back to the treadmill.

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Old guy, Twitter literate translation - Young's dad - I really appreciate that my son is getting advice from someone that looks like him (ie person of color). Stating that should be a consideration for him having the job. Attaboy Hawks for giving Pierce a chance to be a coach and mentor, it should continue. Pierce - Thanks, I appreciate that but I don't see color when I see my players, I see people I'm responsible for. I treat them all equally, that's just my style. That's how I read that and in case no one on the board has heard me say it before, CLP is one of if not my favorite Hawks coach of all time. He is always teaching, very cerebral in his approach. He pulls players aside, calms them down to refocus them and he does the 1 thing that has been sorely missing in Atlanta since the days of Lenny Wilkens. He protects his players. He will get in the face of a ref and take an ejection to save a player, make a statement for his team. We've had some real marshmallows here (Stotts cough cough). The lack of individual caring and coaching is my biggest criticism of Bud. He would let players drown in their mistakes. Bud was a good X's and O's guy but is terrible with relationships. Pierce understands the nuances of the game and I love him for it.

Well you could watch a show from across the pond. The IT Crowd.

I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy watching the games without fans. For years, I would always go to the preseason public scrimmages and it just didn't feel the same at all, seeing them play on a high school court or back in the old Omni in front of 800 or so people. I'm thinking on TV, there will be some awkward moments with no one sitting behind the bench during timeouts, no press announcer yelling "lets make some noise" or "that foul was offensive, James Harden". No t-shirt cannons, 9 year old dancers at half time, etc. I'm thinking people will in small part reject the product some. I'm also wondering how it will affect the officiating having no home town bias or yelling fans.

I thought about this too. Trae's attendance in Oklahoma was so refreshing. Started by saying he was only 21 and really didn't have the wisdom others in the crowd did. He was incredibly humble and didn't want much attention. I was so proud of our hometown youngin and yet, I was terrified for him. I was proud he was there and yelling at my computer at the same time, "okay you showed up, now go take a bath in rubbing alcohol and go back into hiding!" In all seriousness though. I was truly proud of how he conducted himself. Made it about the mission and not about himself. We have a true gem in Trae.

Might want to re-read our exchanges in this thread between page 5 and 11. I'm feeling pretty good about 90% of it. I'm really hoping to see Cam make that jump this coming year and then explode year 3.

I'm very concerned about a renewed spread of the disease coming from the protests. Way too many people, way too close together with lots of shouting and spittle flying. I'll be interested to see the stats in 2 weeks.

But that trade is with the cap in mind a month later. Don't make it about the trade, make it about the result. Post pick, can they sign the player they want. A higher pick limits the amount they have to spend later. For teams in a win now mode, the pick is counterproductive to free agency a month later.

Once used, the pick has a hold which adjusts the team's cap going into F/A. It isn't about the pick, its about the salary ramifications post draft, pre-free agency.

A few years ago, you and I had "a spirited and contentious" debate about the cost of draft slots and teams trading out of slots to gain salary cap room, etc or to avoid the LT. This year is a very good example of how that could work and the Knicks info is a great place to start with that. The Knicks are slotted right now at pick 3 which is a starting salary of 8.4 million. Should the Knicks win the lottery that amount goes up 2 million. If they lose and slide to 7, the amount goes down 2.7 million. So consider the Knicks choices come draft night. They think they can get the player they want at 6 but they have the 3rd overall pick. Also, they aren't sure the 20th pick could play right away. The Knicks need to show improvement right now or their fan base will be in full revolt. The value of trading down to 6 from 3 and trading out of the 1st round could produce 5.4 million in cap room for the Knicks to operate at the front of free agency as well as future considerations. In the Knicks case, winning the lottery could actually limit their trade partners as opposed to the 3rd or even 4th pick because of the salary (and hold) that comes with it as well as what would be required to gain that pick. Take a team with 4 million in cap room. Trading with the Knicks at 3 means having to have a pick worth 4 million which is 12 or higher. But trading with them at 1 would mean having a pick worth 6 million or more which would be 6th or higher. Without acquiring salary to move the pick, the Knicks gain 6 trade potential partners by getting 3 vs 1 in that scenario. It's convoluted, but there are some teams in tricky cap land that are in the lottery this year. The difference could mean the difference between them offering a max contract or not.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-charged-fraud-lying-coronavirus-141430560.html Atlanta man falsely claims to have Covid to get paid time off work. Causes closure of his employer's plant. Arrested by FBI and fired.

John Collins over 13 games in February this year. 25.6 PPG 63.6% shooting, 53.5% from 3, 80% FT% 10.4 RPG 1.3 BPG 2.2 APG/ 1.9 TO/G Yup, total garbage. Now Horford...Horford's best month last year was a stellar. 14.5 ppg 49.7% shooting, 37% form 3 and 83.3 FT% 6.4 RPG .9 BPG 4.2 APG 1.3 TO/G To be clear, Horford is making 28 million. I get so tired of hearing how all Horford does is all the little things to help his team win. I saw him complain yearly in Atlanta about having to play center and yearly I saw bigger centers have career nights against him in the playoffs despite one of the best weak side shot blockers in the league having his back. Horford is a career 14 ppg/ 8.3 rpg 52% FG% player. He was a nice starter on a good team. Collins' numbers are only rising he is still a career 16.2 ppg/ 8.8 rpg, 57.1% FG% player. He is nowhere near his peak yet (at least 3 years away) and his numbers spank Horford's in his prime. Find market rate and pay him. Put legit centers next to him and develop Cam/Hunter. First person to mention the "eye test" with Horford or Collins has to hand wash my socks after a hike.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/24/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-100000.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Huh, never even heard that when I made the comparison.

This is a pretty good scouting report. It shows why everyone is so high and also shows why he's a 2 year project. Specifically, look late in the video when they talk about his rebounding in traffic. The secret to this skill is starting with high hands so you have a short distance to react to the bounce of the ball. This method requires soft hands above the basket to tap the ball into a space you can easily gather. This one aspect of his game is pro level and directly mirrors Robinson. His mid range shot is a bit broken because he shoots on the hang and not the lift but with taller defenders he'll adjust eventually. But if you see how he gathers and moves without the ball, this is pretty much non-existent in 7 footers. He can catch on the move full speed pretty much anywhere on the court and has shown some open court passing ability while on the move as well. Both are seen in the above video.

For me its Wiseman because you just don't get that skilled of a big man. Typically you draft size and hope. He has size and skill. Not 100% ready but he's farther along than most bigs. If he fills out and maintains that coordination or improves, he's as impactful as the best players in most years. Still, he's a young big. He'll need 2 years to start to get a feel.

So I'm not going to say he's going to be the admiral. I would really like to see him get a full year in college for that, but the size, shape, play style is very David Robinson. The big issue with taking these big men young is you never know how the frame will fill out. Some get more coordinated as they age, some get bulky and more clumsy. Big men are a crap shoot but he's got more Admiral in him than anyone I've seen in a while. I definitely see a bit of Ewing as well but the problem with comparing players from that era is that most of them stayed 3-4 years. That development can't be understated.

That's his ceiling though when I see him. He has similar athleticism and measurables. Both play with their hands high when rebounding and use their hands to gain control, tap the ball to themselves. They don't give up on a rebound based on positioning alone. They both outlet well, favor posting from left to middle.

What I see when I see Wiseman. Watch both videos. You will see a lot of similarities. What we don't know is what is between the ears and work ethic. I would have really liked to see him with 1 or 2 years of college first. But compare his footwork, taps on the ball on rebounds, use of his height and you will see a lesser polished Robinson.

The first main section stating 99% of the infected have no significant symptoms was very problematic for me. We can reference the Indiana study I posted last week to see that number is not true, not even close. Per the Indiana study, there are about 8 times as many cases state wide as previously thought and using the Indiana math, about half of the previously thought cases are symptomatic. So even if the all the assumed cases are asymptomatic, that's still about 7% symptomatic, not 1%. Best case scenario is 7% not 1. Further down it states a failure to educate the public on the fatality rate, but it is the exact measures that were taken that kept hospital systems from being overwhelmed and allowed hospitals to save lives. The reality here is that we are entering summer where transmission will be happily contained by the weather. It will be much safer June 1 through Aug 31st for the majority of the country to venture out. Improved immune response due to increased vitamin D levels from exposure to sunlight and an increase in citrus diets during the summer will greatly help those who venture outside to fight off infection. The closure of schools for the summer can only help. But Air Conditioned office spaces, indoor and air-conditioned spaces and the opening of shared common indoor spaces will still be suspect. The question here isn't if this thing is dangerous. That is a losing argument. The question is how to balance the risk.

I just went through and looked at his spreadsheet. There are some inconsistencies in his calculations. His Detroit calculation if using his Knicks methodology is closer to $39 million. I guess its a guide but not really sure his methodology when dealing with draft picks slotting, roster slot charges, etc. I think he charged a for a few teams but didn't for others. Consider them guesstimates.