thecampster

" Who are the Top 5 most likely landing spots for Andre Drummond? James Edwards: Atlanta, Dallas (who could use a physical big man next to Porzingis and him and Porzingis are friends), Toronto (I’ve heard Masai has liked him for a long time and obviously, Marc Gasol and Serge Ibaka are both expiring contracts; him and Kyle Lowry are friends), people say Boston, just because they think they need the center, but I don’t see that one working. 3 hours ago – via Warriors All 82" From Hoopshype rumors

Actually no on the just sign him thing. It is easier to sign someone once they've moved to your city and know their fit. But if you look at what Atlanta has next year, getting Drummond is as much about convincing the next domino to fall than it is about Drummond. What follows is the expected room under the LT each team has next year....given the team does not sign any of each free agents and their player options don't opt in. In the Hawks case, it isn't that they have to convince "someone" to take their money. Its that they have to convince several someones. Getting Drummond eases the answer for the next someone. The road gets easier if they add a player and show promise in the 2nd half of the season. 1 Atlanta Hawks $107,630,997 2 Memphis Grizzlies $82,897,986 3 Cleveland Cavaliers $62,251,877 4 Charlotte Hornets $60,032,424 5 New Orleans Pelicans $57,869,012 6 Toronto Raptors $54,403,740 7 Phoenix Suns $49,230,605 8 Washington Wizards $43,250,530 9 New York Knicks $42,402,796 10 Portland Trail Blazers $41,662,399 11 Detroit Pistons $38,500,922

This!!! x50

All I can say is I'm tired of losing because of rebounding. The Lakers, Utah, Celtics, Cavaliers games all had one thing in common. We lost a close game and got out rebounded between 6-13 rebounds in the game. We lost to the Knicks...the F'ing Knicks by 23 and were out-rebounded by 17. We have only 1 guy on the team averaging more than 6 rebounds per game and he was suspended for 25 games. Drummond would instantly be leading the teams in Rebounds, Blocks and Steals. Pay the man and lets start building this. We have 60 million to burn. Player G Min Off Def Reb Stl Blk John Collins 10 30:53:00 2 7.7 9.7 1 1.8 Jabari Parker 32 26:10:00 1.7 4.3 6 1.3 0.5 Alex Len 34 18:24 1.6 4 5.6 0.5 0.8 Trae Young 33 35:01:00 0.5 3.8 4.3 1.2 0.1 DeAndre' Bembry 35 22:13 0.9 3 3.9 1.3 0.5 De'Andre Hunter 35 31:38:00 0.5 3.3 3.8 0.6 0.3 Cam Reddish 32 25:50:00 0.7 3.2 3.8 1 0.4 Damian Jones 32 17:06 1.5 2.3 3.8 0.4 0.8 Kevin Huerter 25 26:46:00 0.5 3.1 3.6 1 0.5 Bruno Fernando 35 11:58 1.1 2 3.1 0.3 0.3 Allen Crabbe 23 19:11 0.3 2 2.3 0.6 0.1 Vince Carter 29 15:46 0.2 1.8 2 0.3 0.3 Evan Turner 18 12:48 0.4 1.6 2 0.4 0.4 Brandon Goodwin 7 11:22 0.3 1.4 1.7 0.7 0.3 Tyrone Wallace 14 11:27 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.5 0.1 Chandler Parsons 5 10:50 0.2 1.2 1.4 0.8 0.2 Charlie Brown 4 4:04 0.5 0.3 0.8 0 0.3

That you are on team AHF just gave me a swell of confidence. Thank you sir!

The test is very difficult by the way...inch deep but a mile wide and unlike other certs, highly secretive so you have to know it...there is no memorizing answers to pass. Every question engages in obfuscation. Goes something like this. Alex Len is a Network Analyst for a large legal firm. Yesterday he ate a bologna sandwich for lunch and engages in small talk with the receptionist after hours. Because of his role, he can sometimes be seen engaging in wrestling matches with large men in downtown Atlanta.....Knowing this what brand of underwear does he wear on a date. Yes, they are that weird sometimes.

Need to think more creatively here...in mine and AFH's cases...it will be like kissing a hobo who just ate from the trash.

oing the math, the salary cap is $116 million next year. 15 man roster...that's 7.73 million per player. When you consider the bottom 8 players on every roster are on rookie, vet min or excemption salaries....The real average for rotation players is about $13 million. Our vision is skewed because we've underpaid our starters for years. He's a starting 5 on about 6-8 rosters right now.

and remember, the cap goes up 7 million next year.

He's a stretch 5..someone will pay.

The current list of Centers making more than $10 million per seasons Karl-Anthony Towns (2019-2023) C MIN 24 5 $158,253,000 $158,253,000 100.00% $31,650,600 2024 Joel Embiid (2018-2022) C PHI 25 5 $147,710,050 $147,710,050 100.00% $29,542,010 2023 Nikola Jokic (2018-2022) C DEN 24 5 $147,710,050 $142,710,044 96.62% $29,542,010 2023 Andre Drummond (2016-2020) C DET 26 5 $127,171,313 $127,171,313 100.00% $25,434,263 2021 Kevin Love (2019-2022) C CLE 31 4 $120,402,172 $120,402,172 100.00% $30,100,543 2023 Marc Gasol (2015-2019) C TORSigned w/MEM 34 5 $113,211,750 $113,211,750 100.00% $22,642,350 2020 Al Horford (2019-2022) C PHI 33 4 $109,000,000 $97,000,000 88.99% $27,250,000 2023 Rudy Gobert (2017-2020) C UTH 27 4 $102,000,000 $94,000,000 92.16% $25,500,000 2021 Steven Adams (2017-2020) C OKC 26 4 $100,000,000 $100,000,000 100.00% $25,000,000 2021 Nikola Vucevic (2019-2022) C ORL 29 4 $100,000,000 $100,000,000 100.00% $25,000,000 2023 Hassan Whiteside (2016-2019) C PORSigned w/MIA 30 4 $98,419,538 $98,419,538 100.00% $24,604,885 2020 Clint Capela (2018-2022) C HOU 25 5 $90,000,000 $80,000,000 88.89% $18,000,000 2023 Tristan Thompson (2015-2019) C CLE 28 5 $82,000,000 $82,000,000 100.00% $16,400,000 2020 Myles Turner (2019-2022) C IND 23 4 $80,000,000 $70,000,000 87.50% $20,000,000 2023 Domantas Sabonis (2020-2023) C IND 23 4 $74,900,000 $74,900,000 100.00% $18,725,000 2024 Bismack Biyombo (2016-2019) C CHASigned w/ORL 27 4 $72,000,000 $68,000,000 94.44% $18,000,000 2020 Ian Mahinmi (2016-2019) C WAS 33 4 $64,000,000 $64,000,000 100.00% $16,000,000 2020 Gorgui Dieng (2017-2020) C MIN 29 4 $62,800,000 $62,800,000 100.00% $15,700,000 2021 Cody Zeller (2017-2020) C CHA 27 4 $56,000,000 $56,000,000 100.00% $14,000,000 2021 Brook Lopez (2019-2022) C MIL 31 4 $52,000,000 $52,000,000 100.00% $13,000,000 2023 Kelly Olynyk (2017-2020) C MIA 28 4 $50,000,000 $45,610,826 91.22% $12,500,000 2021 Jusuf Nurkic (2018-2021) C POR 25 4 $48,000,000 $40,000,000 83.33% $12,000,000 2022 Jonas Valanciunas (2019-2021) C MEM 27 3 $45,000,000 $45,000,000 100.00% $15,000,000 2022 Meyers Leonard (2016-2019) C MIASigned w/POR 27 4 $41,000,000 $41,000,000 100.00% $10,250,000 2020 Mason Plumlee (2017-2019) C DEN 29 3 $41,000,000 $41,000,000 100.00% $13,666,667 2020 Dewayne Dedmon (2019-2021) C SAC 30 3 $40,000,000 $26,666,667 66.67% $13,333,333 2022

He just made a deal with a cyber security pro. Speaking of which, earned my CISSP a few months ago...now considering CEH (Certified Ethical Hacker)

Most important win there is no one touches my avatar with Mama on it.

Done

Nothing like a public negotiation. I said $10 million or more. You want to make the push between $10 and $12 million. Now if you really want to show some stones you'd make the bet at $10 million as originally stated. So even though you know I don't normally bet, greater than $10 million I win, less than $10 million you win. Bet is null and void if Len misses > 25% of the remaining season due to injury, trade for a greater big man which impacts his value or if Len is traded by the deadline and instead of an avatar change how about this. For 3 days loser will have to like the posts of the winner no matter much they disagree. Each and every post, up and to the limit of daily likes. The loser will also have to respond with "I agree".

I assume all the risk from injury or hometown discount

Ridiculous bet. Too much can happen between now and then.

Len is an absolute bargain right now and is in his final year. Len will command at least 10 million next year on the free agent market and maybe as much as $15 million. Think this through man. Dedmom got $13 million a year and is a smidge less than Len. PER 36 this season Dedmon = 12.7 pts, 10 reb (similar to last year except points were 15.5) Len = 17 pts, 11 reb Drummond = 18.9 pts, 17 reb Len got his current contract because he was backing up Tyson Chandler and had a disappointing start to his career after being used poorly by Phoenix (see my notes around the time we made the trade). There is no universe where you can sign a player of Alex Len's ability and age for 4 million a season. Len will comman a bare minimum $10 million on the open market next year. Drummond will command at least $20 million and maybe as high as $30 million. Drummond is not Davis or Cousins in his prime. But his offense game has improved dramatically over the past 2 seasons and he is a very reliable passer. His turnover numbers are indicative of how often Detroit trusts him with the ball in his hands. He won't have that here in Atlanta. The last 2 games prove we need a small push to get over the hump. We have lost at least 10 games this year in the final minutes and a player of Drummond's caliber with Len coming off the bench would have made all the difference. Example of the Drummond effect is that Drummond is a legit low post presence. He is not going to free up Trae or Collins but he will force constant attention and will free up Cam/Hunter/Huerter for less contested 3's. Someone like Drummond down low could mean an increase of team 3 percentage of 3 to 4 % and that would mean 3 or more points a game alone.

Preacher meet choir...I'm asking the same thing.

@gray mule. Why the Pistons trade him. The Blake Griffin deal and other moves are choking their cap. They are currently $500k into he LT and they want out of the repeat offender cycle. As long as he isn't signed by another team in the off season, he ties up his entire max contract cap number and it means they cant do anything offseasons. If they trade him and cut the received player before the end of the season, they 1) avoid the LT and 2) start free agency next year with space. Word is they will take space, 1 young developing player like Huerter and the Nets pick. Turner, Huerter and our other 1st this year gets it done.

Now for the effect he brings. Drummond should effectively lead to a few more rim buckets than Len. He should lead to a few more boards which limits fast break opportunities. He should also allow our edge guys to play tighter D, knowing Drummond is a far better defensive presence than Len. If you can swing Drummond without giving up Len or Bruno, and only trading our expiring and or Jones, this is an impact no brainers. Trae Young made Damion Jones look legit. What could he do for Drummond?

If there are players that are worth a max, Drummond's deal actually clarifies that picture for future free agents.

Let's look at it like this. Next year we will have 51-60 million in cap space. We have to spend it somewhere. The Nets draft pick will be about 2.5 .million in space. If Drummond gets us to draft slot 10 but not playoffs, it saves us another 4 million. If you are suggesting there aren't players worth that salary next year, then Drummond is your option.

A mistake I'm sure. Let's not forget Drummond's largest failing. https://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/03/jennette-mccurdy-breakup-andre-drummond-bad-kisser-boyfriend/

and would mean a trade of Parsons and Turner this year + Nets 1st....Not a bad deal at all Snell and morris are tradable and usable both