thecampster

First I said -> Then AHF said - > This strikes me as an unfair criticism as this applies to every rookie in history even the ones who were ready to blow up immediately like Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, MJ, Magic, Big O, etc. Then I replied - > Or Anthony Bennett, Marvin Williams, random big stiff Euro, etc This is no way is me "calling" him Anthony Bennett. This is me comparing AHF's comment of Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, MJ, Magic and Big O with Bennett and Williams. But you're right, a fairer criticism would be to pick out the best 10 picks in history and compare him to them as well as the worst 10 and most hyped 10 picks in history. These are the #10 picks over a 33 year span. 2013 CJ McCollum Lehigh Portland 2012 Austin Rivers Duke New Orleans 2011 Jimmer Fredette BYU Milwaukee 2010 Paul George Fresno State Indiana 2009 Brandon Jennings Italy Milwaukee 2008 Brook Lopez Stanford New Jersey 2007 Spencer Hawes Washington Sacramento 2006 Mouhamed Saer Sene Senegal Seattle 2005 Andrew Bynum UConn HSSr. LA Lakers 2004 Luke Jackson Oregon Sr. Cleveland 2003 Jarvis Hayes Georgia Jr. Washington 2002 Caron Butler UConn So. Miami 2001 Joe Johnson Arkansas So. Boston 2000 Keyon Dooling Missouri So. Orlando 1999 Jason Terry Arizona Sr. Atlanta 1998 Paul Pierce Kansas Boston 1997 Danny Fortson Cincinnati Milwaukee 1996 Erick Dampier Mississippi State Indiana 1995 Kurt Thomas Texas Christian Miami 1994 Eddie Jones Temple LA Lakers 1993 Lindsey Hunter Jackson State Detroit 1992 Adam Keefe Stanford Atlanta Well you get the point. 23 years...4 game changers 1991 Brian Williams Arizona Orlando 1990 Rumeal Robinson Michigan Atlanta 1989 Pooh Richardson UCLA Minnesota 1988 Willie Anderson Georgia San Antonio 1987 Horace Grant Clemson Chicago 1986 Johnny Dawkins Duke San Antonio 1985 Ed Pinckney Villanova Phoenix 1984 Leon Wood Cal State-Fullerton Philadelphia 1983 Jeff Malone Mississippi State Washington 1982 Keith Edmonson Purdue Atlanta 1981 Albert King Maryland New Jersey 1980 Ronnie Lester

I never "called" him anything. Direct quote it.

I know right! There is a vast difference between I hate Cam and let's give a few years to develop. Asking for patience and temperance is not hate.

I like coach more and more each day.

Some retro for you my brother.

I'm telling you...Gabriela Sabatini was amazing...as a player and a looker. Possible I hit manhood watching her.

Puma's were the shoes back early 80's pre-Jordan....everyone wore em.

Oh I never said I was any good. You'd Agassi me in minutes I'm sure. But I love to rally and just hit. I like the impact/workout and repetitiveness of it all. As for fans...I preferred watching the ladies play. Prefer rallies to serve and volley. Male players (for obvious reasons stated already) was Michael Chang....loved the way he could go and get it. Ladies' game, I had an unhealthy love of Jennifer Capriati and Gabriela Sabatini.

When I'm exercising, I prefer Cross trainers because I play pick up games, racquetball and tennis as well as trail hiking...kind of need a do it all shoe.

Speaking of man crushes.....if you are a player and you want my never dying affection, you box out even though you know the rebound is going on the other side. When I see a player, especially a young player boxing out like he's teaching a big man camp, I know I see a winner. I will buy a big feller chocolates and flowers if I see that.

I was like that (which usually meant that like every other white dude on the planet it was New Balance cuz those jokers are always on sale) UNTIL Sketchers started putting memory foam in their cross-trainers. and this fat dude fell in love with a shoe.

My favorite part of the new regime. Knuckleheads ruin the NBA for me. Give me ball sharing, defense playing, unselfish players all day long. Pass first, move without the ball, set good picks and box out so your teammate can get a board. All the hallmarks of a great team. We're signing drafting high IQ, high character, likable guys....that always bodes well down the road.

Read the bolded...only the bolded.

I might like him a bit more than you and less than Rui but I'm not impressed by almost anyone in this draft class. I see a lot of mid tier starters and rotation players but almost no stars. I even have concerns about Zion and Morant. I think Barrett will be the best of the class when its all said and done but I'm not sure he'll be anything more than a lower tier all-star (like Joe Johnson) and that will take a probably 3 years for his game to catch up with NBA speed. Even Barrett is too inconsistent. It is very typical for a player coming to the NBA from college or Europe to struggle with the 3 compared to college because of the differences in the ball and the longer 3 pt distance. It usually takes them a while. Point guards have to get used to the pick and roll game as well as the spacing variances created by the 3 second rule. SG and SF's have to adjust to iso heavy offense and the ball changes. PF/C's must often learn to the shoot the 3 and deal with the 3 second rule / no zone thing. In this class, I don't see any player that I say is a sure fire lock superstar. I think the class is very young and raw which means their adjustment period will be longer than most. This is why I think the "he's about to set the NBA on fire" is crazy. He's got 2 obstacles. A) he's got to grow into his body as well as grow into the NBA and B) He has a serious depth chart ahead of him to overcome. If healthy, Parker, Parsons, Huerter, Crabbe, Bembry, Turner have all got NBA experience. All can play the 3 which is Cam's natural position. 5 of the 6 have solid offensive credentials and 2 have defensive credentials. Cam is going to have to fight for minutes. If healthy, both Parker and Parsons are going to get minutes...especially Parsons as we will try to move him at the deadline. He'll have to show he can play. Turner is going to get time at the 1 offering Cam some but limited minutes as the backup, backup pg. Again, Turner will get playing time just so we can showcase him. We still have 2 more roster spots to fill which could be a player that offers another obstacle. Cam's road to stardom is not short like Barrett who will start almost right away. Cam is going to have to earn every minute. I think that will be good for him, bad for Supes.

Never said I hated Cam...matter of fact I said he's gonna be a fine player....but I also said lets pump the brakes on a inducting him into the hall of fame before he's even played one game...not even a preseason game, not even a summer league game. He's a prospect...one we took after Hunter and gambled we'd get. Pump your brakes man...enthusiasm is one thing, but your crush is the thing of Alicia Silverstone movies. You might wanna rewatch that to see how it turns out.

Supes.....I just figured out this thread....I think you're confused...the player you're describing is mentioned here: https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1273732/ Yes, I would take the risk and trade assets for him.

Which is my point. He was super hyped by everyone and then fizzled to average NBA starter. On fire is an excited stance to take. I like the kid, but he's not Jesus. Most players dont hit their stride till their mid 20s. Give him room to breathe. You wont know what he is for a few years.

Len is getting 5 to 8 shots per game, Trae is going to take close to 20, Collins is going to take 15. In a 100 shot per game league, 40+ are gone before the kid steps on the court. Hunter is going to get an opportunity. Parker (if healthy) is a scoring machine. Huerter earned the right to lose the job last year. The kid is running out of 15 shots a game to take. That would be the minimum for him to "set the world on fire" or at the very minimum bake a good set of cookies by Christmas. I am the biggest proponent of defense and rebounding you may ever see, but that doesn't sell tickets and the Hawks are in sell tickets mode, not NBA championship mode. Not poo-pooing Cam but begging for realism here. Cam wins rookie of the year means 3 major Hawks broke limbs or snapped tendons. Lets not be rooting for that.

Or Anthony Bennett, Marvin Williams, random big stiff Euro, etc

This has reached trolling status. You can't possibly be serious with this Cam love. Let me see if I get you hear? 1. and I also have a chance to develop x-ray vision if dipped in a vat of toxic sludge....of course he has a chance...none of which means the nba is on fire. 2. His fugazi numbers are based on his performance on a team where he was the 3rd option and woke up better as a team than 80 % of teams they played. Of course he got easy shots and good numbers. That translates to the NBA how? 3. This is an apology, not a reason someone does something good. 4. Did you just cite Lonzo Ball as the reason another completely unrelated player who plays a complete different position as a reason? 5. Did you just cite a football player long retired as a reason a basketball rookie will succeed? 6. I can't even respond to a partial thought. 7. Based on what do you say it works well? 8. Totally opinion. 9. Opinion 10. Opinion You might be right and if so, I need you to throw me the Mega Millions numbers. Dude is a baller 3rd option at the college level but has produced nothing as a pro. Take your meds....Hell take my meds....something.

1) We go over .500. 2) Crabbe or Parsons is traded by the trade deadline. 3) Alex Len averages at least 15/8 for the season. 4) Deandre Hunter and Cam Reddish have a very slow start. 5) Chandler Parsons and Jabari Parker both have at least 1 20 point game by Jan 1.

You know that if you choose the 1 off method, then most every mock draft compilation is like 90% right for the first 20ish picks pretty much every year right?

PER is a stat heavily weighted toward rebounding. Net PER is a much better measurement. Net PER is player PER minus opponent PER at the same position while on the floor. Look at net PER (48 min)...it adds perspective. Look only at the position they will play the most at. PF - Collins +9.6 PG - Lin +3.8 C - Len -0.9 SF - Carter -1.5 SF - Prince -2.0 PG - Young -2.4 (yes even though his personal PER was way higher than Lin, his PER against was much worse as well). SF - Bembry -2.5 SG - Bazemore -5.9 SG - Huerter -7.0 C- Dedmon -7.2 PG - Adams -13.1

Cam > Trae...okay? Oy!!! Does this remind anyone else of the great Diesel hates Marvin threads?

Okay man...I've heard your answers on this..now here's mine. Most every Mock Draft had Cam gone by 8. Spin this however you want but the perception was that Cam was gone at 8. We made the trade for Hunter before even 1 pick was made. We knew we had to take hunter at 4 or lose him....that part of your statement is true. But our expectation was hunter at 4 and Cam is gone...if Cam is not gone then Cam but the expectation by every breathing human at that time was Cam was gone by 8...we traded away 8. End of story. Team gambled Cam would be there...Team traded assets for Hunter because they knew he was gone by 5. If we truly "had" to have Cam. We had future assets to bundled with 10 to move up to 8 and it would have been taken...but we didn't. We gambled. Knew Hunter gone by 5...traded for him. Expected Cam gone by 8, pleasantly surprised he was there at 10....end of story....put it to bed....done. You are wrong here...suck it up...say "my bad" and move on. Nobody will remember October 1. And as soon as Hunter gets injured and Cam steps up to start for him for a short stretch, we'll all know if he's better than Hunter or not.