thecampster

So just to muddy the waters. We currently still have None Exceptions Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception $ 9,245,000 Bi-Annual Exception $ 3,618,000

You do realize that A) Len is only making 4.166 million this year and is an absolute steal, B) He loves Atlanta and has said as much and C) Unless he takes a huge leap forward this year will sign in the off-season for 12-15 million at most with us having $60 million in cap space projected. We would trade Len at the deadline for nothing because????

Remember there team is just a perfect example, not necessarily where we'll go and honestly, we could do this before the season begins. But it's coming. It is much more sure fire as there is no guarantee you can get good players to take your money.

Let's start by replying to that last sentence. The player, players that we'll bring in is directly related to how certain teams fair. As an example, I love looking at OKC for this. They have decisions to make on George, Westbrook, Schröder, and Adam's. All are on multiyear deals and together they take up 100% of the salary cap. Okc is a multiyear tax offender. If they go backwards this year they will need to deal 3 of those to clear room and start over. The most likely candidates being George and Adam's. They'll end up trading 1 to2 of these four for expurings by seasons end (barring a miracle). It will be something like that. Like Plumlee for Adam's so they can drop 13 mil in salary now and 25 mil total by seasons end. Us just taking advantage of salary dumps by non contenders

I stated pre draft there were only a handful of players ready to go day 1. Hunter is one. I just wanted Barrett.

So uhm...the Hawks started last year 6 and 23. When you try to fit them in the box of the whole season of 29 wins, you really aren't looking at the tale of 2 seasons. The reality is they were 6 and 23 and then they were 23 and 30 over the next 53...a much larger sample. Now this is very much dependent on health but if they continue to play at the 23/30 place they are set for 36 wins already. If look at the last 22 games....10 and 12. The point is they got better and better as the year went on. 39 wins is not crazy. Judge them including the first 29 games and they're terrible. Judge them on the last 53 (a much larger and much bigger sample) and 39 is implied, not a stretch. When you consider off-season improvement by Collins, Young and Huerter.... .500 is reasonable. I'm not being optimistic, I'm just relying on the last 53 games of the season. Basic logic and reason points to that money being spent at the trade deadline.

So basically I keep hearing people talk about the salary we'll have in 2020. Let me put that to rest. We will not have that money. It isn't going to happen. It will mostly be gone by that time. 1st - the Hawks have future firsts coming next year that will cost at least $5 million in space and at least 2 roster spots. 2nd - The (as of right now) only have 4 players under contract for next year plus the 3 rookies. Including the rookies and the 2 draft picks we'll have 6 empty slots. 3rd - it is a very weak free agent market next year comparatively and there is not $60 million in value out there for us right now. 4th - We will be competitive this year and potentially a playoff team. Depending upon A) if we overachieve and B) what talent we get after Sunday, we may be buyers at the trade deadline. Here is how that will work for us. We will (as of this moment) have 7 very attractive expiring contracts (assuming we still have Adams) for close to $70 million dollars. Any trade with the Hawks will means packaging 1 or more of those expirings for high priced, long term deals on other teams (see Kevin Love as an example). It is very reasonable to see the Hawks packaging 4 of those expiring contracts in 2 separate deals for 2 players at the deadline making in excess of $20 million each. Such a deal would leave us with less than $30 million next year and about 4 slots to fill and other players coming up for renewal in the future. 5th - If we are sellers, we will be taking back young players on 2 year or longer contracts which will eat into the potential 70 million. A deal like that would be something like Crabbe to team X for a pick and a collection of lower priced players (waiving one). This would mostly wipe out the Crabbe salary from next year. In short...it is way to early to be counting these particular chickens.

That whatever big is guarding him steps out to front Harden or Paul does. I could score unguarded.

Okay here it is...the Jaylen Adams analysis...."Gets told by coaches to dribble out the clock so Trae can rest for 8 minutes a game. Gets told, "only shoot in an emergency and give the ball to someone bigger than you as soon as possible after crossing half court". Did I nail it?

#superclap

So I took some time to really dive into what the hell the Turner haters are thinking. Honestly I can't figure it out. Last season, Baze played 2 more minutes per game, yet Turner beats Baze FG% 46% vs 40% RBG - 4.5 vs 3.9 APG - 3.9 vs 2.3 TO/G- 1.6 vs 1.8 Baze beats Turner 3PT% 32% vs 21.2% (Kent took 4.5 attempts per game, Turner .7) Steals 1.3 vs .5 Blocks .6 vs .2 I'm really trying to understand this. Turner shot 6% better from the floor, Shy'd away from taking 3's and focus'd on creating for others. He posted more rebounds and assists in 10% less minutes per game. Yes Baze shot better from 3 but he still shot poorly from 3 and took 4.5 shots per game. Why exactly do we not want this guy at $640k less? Anyone with a sound argument to why Baze is better?

I would just like to say. Isn't awesome to be having a discussion based around "my draft pick is more awesome than yours" and not..."OMG BK F'd this up again!"?

Translation: "I reject your reality and submit my own."

I'm still thinking there is a chance we're trying to move one of our players to OKC for Steven Adams

Not totally sold on that. If we are competitive at the trade deadline (slotted for a playoff slot), there is a good chance we trade one or more of those expiring deals for a player that helps us on a longer deal.

Okay just did the math. Assuming the 1st round rookies sign for 120% of their draft slot, post deal we have 1 slot 12.3 million in salary space. If the rookies sign for 100%, we have 14.18 million in cap space.

I don't bet....but I'm smelling one here...let me ruminate.

Did he also just criticize the most versatile defender in the draft as flatfooted and slow?

Did he just criticize a player who shot 43.8% from 3 and 55% from 2 on his jumper?

I'm holding to the thought that because Turner is slightly cheaper, he gives us room in moving to acquire another salary and has specific value based on height that Baze no longer has based on his second half last year. He is seen as damaged goods by many in the league.

Answering the question of "why" make this trade. Here were my thoughts a few days ago:

It's less shots per game, but highly efficient. It just doesn't make players look nearly as impressive as they are.

See....uhm....yah....Hunter right now is NBA starter ready at the 3. He played all 3 spots 2/3/4 last year with most of his time coming at the 3. I think you need a bit of education on Virginia. They play a very, very unselfish style. It is much harder to get 16 ppg in Virginia's system than it is at say "Okalahoma" or "Duke". They rarely play ISO by design and set a very large number of elbow and down screens in a very slow mover/blocker offense. See here: This excessive number of motion and screens forces a spread number of shots. Hunter averaged less than 11 shots per game last year because of this offense but scored over 16 ppg. Incredible efficiency.

600k in salary is a lot when looking for a backup PG. I'm guessing there is a second trade coming where we trade into someone else's space for a Center or PG and needed a bit more space. Meaning we were a few hundred k away from making a trade work under the cap.

Well this is the Evan Turner Rumor I mentioned pre-draft but this is not the trade I'd heard. Thought we were just taking him as an expiring.