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So I just did some math. We can't trade 10 + 17 for Love +5. The move would put us $4.5 million over the cap for next year. We would need to include a bit less than 5 million in salary back to the Cavs. The only single players that fit this bill are Baze, Plumlee and Young (uh...no Young is not happening). However Len + any other player gets it done salary cap wise. Of the other 4 players on the roster, only Bembry and Spellman would be sacrified. FYI, the cap hold for 10 + 17 is almost exactly the cap hold of 5. Including Len and either would be robbery so it has to be Baze or Plumlee. In such a scenario, they'd save about 17 million in cap space this year but their LT savings would be over $50 million. Honestly, if Love wasn't so good, it would still be robbery to save them that much and give up both picks. So any deal involving Love is probably 10+17+ Plumlee for 5 + Love So for anyone wondering why we would take on Love's salary. In the above deal, we are only taking on an additional 16 million in salary. After the season, Baze, Crabbe and Bembry all come off the books to return $39 million cap room. Effectively going forward, Love is paid for through expiring contracts and he has value at every trade deadline if we aren't contenders by then to a contender. Post trade we would look like this Young, Adams, ??? Huerter, Bembry, 8 Crabbe, Bazemore, 5 Collins, Love Len, Spellman 12 spots filled, 3 to sign but 3 - 2nd round picks left, 7 million in cap space. All numbers at this point are estimated. If Len stays, no clue where/when Love plays. He could play the 5 and Len is 1st off the bench. Then Love comes back in to spell Collins. But that's a story for another night.

For those wondering what everyone was waiting on to start trading, this is it... https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1265252/ with Whiteside opting in and Horford opting out, teams now know what they can do....starting with Miami.

Per hoopshype, the buzz between Atlanta and Cleveland is real but Love is not mentioned. Cleveland needs a bit of cap relief. They would prefer more picks, for 5, 26 and a player for 10, 17 + 35 and other considerations.

It's not on Hoopshype which means it wouldn't be in the "real" stages yet. Can't get too wound up until it's on hoopshype.com/rumors

Nope they need cap relief.

So word is the Knicks will waive Lance Thomas and then try to resign him cheaper per year. They want someone to take Ntilikina as a part of any deal because the salary they want to sign will replace his role on the team. But they need to waive most everyone and resolve Jordan's status then they will move forward.

Blue = team option Notice all of the players they need decisions on. The only players locked in are Ntilikina, Smith, Knox, Trier, Robinson but they need to decide on Jordan (or they need his commitment), Hezonja, Mudiay, Vonleh etc. They have dead salary in Joakim Noah for the next 3 years for 6 million per. They have needs...lots of them and they need picks, mobile salary etc....They are just working out their money issues, possible incoming talent and best offer for 3. There is interest in Barrett but few teams can put forward a package to move up to 3. Committed Salary 2018 2019 DeAndre Jordan $ 22,897,200 Lance Thomas $ 7,119,650 $ 7,583,975 Mario Hezonja $ 6,500,000 Ron Baker $ 4,544,400 Emmanuel Mudiay $ 4,294,480 Frank Ntilikina $ 4,155,720 $ 4,855,800 $ 6,176,578 Dennis Smith $ 3,819,960 $ 4,463,640 $ 5,686,677 Kevin Knox $ 3,739,920 $ 4,380,120 $ 4,588,680 $ 5,845,978 Allonzo Trier $ 3,382,000 $ 3,551,100 Luke Kornet $ 1,619,260 Noah Vonleh $ 1,512,601 Mitchell Robinson $ 1,485,440 $ 1,559,712 $ 1,663,861 $ 1,802,057 Damyean Dotson $ 1,378,242 $ 1,618,520 John Jenkins $ 486,520 $ 1,988,119 Henry Ellenson $ 341,831 $ 1,645,357 Billy Garrett $ 42,634 $ 1,416,852 Isaiah Hicks

Don't get caught up in the media spin right now. Trading with the Knicks to acquire 3 is still on the table.

Most years I'm "against" trading for the sake of trading....but this year....I'm not sold on anyone in the draft past the first 3 that are more than just a solid NBA starter. I don't see anything worth getting excited about.

This!

This doesn't belong in Homecourt.

They are over the cap....they would have to rework the original deal as a pass through to get this done and even then they'd have to send a little bit of salary out I think.

I reached a point in my life where I could no longer juggle work and family and needed a year or 2 of my kids being coached by others. Both were high level baseball, one was good basketball, the other good football. I would cringe every time I'd see a volunteer coach tell my kids (8 and 13) about working out, swinging harder, throwing harder, always harder harder.....13 years olds should never go harder...they should always slow down and figure out their own bodies. I had a fence drill I would run where I would have the kid approach a ball on the infield, plant, get down, pick up the ball, fake the throw then roll the ball in front of them. They had to do it from first to 3rd and 3rd to the fence. 3rd to the fence is the only time they were supposed to speed up. If they failed to get their butts down and come at the ball from outside their body to in...they had to go get back in line and do it over. Parents hated the drill...thought it was stupid because the ball was never moving when they scooped it. I would tell them that was the point. It taught them everything had to get low...butt, chest, hands, the only way to stop a ball....anything else, you create a hole for the ball to leak through. I did the drill every year from 4 years old to 13 for each season I could coach. I did it for rec ball, I did it for travel. Its hard work...you never get bigger or fancier but you don't make errors.....I never coached a losing season....I'm alright with that.

His value is good, his contract is high....there is some need as they are not in a good place cap wise.

I forgot about that....the growth spurts while lifting are a huge part of it too.

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Bruno is not slipping out of the first round. Teams in the later part of the 1st are planting rumors hoping he slips or they can deal their pick.

New Orleans, by trading Davis, effectively made a 4 for 1 trade this year that only saves them 2 million in salary cap space. If they renounce all their free agents and waive all of their non-guaranteed contracts, they will have 11 players on the roster after the draft including their 2nd round pick and will be almost 7 million over the cap with 4 players to sign. They need cap relief. Their 2 first picks alone will take up 15% of the cap. The could really use the 2 draft picks and they could use someone taking 1 or 2 contracts off their hands. Having Lonzo Ball now puts them in a difficult position with Jrue Holiday who is very good but overpaid. They either need someone to take Jrue Holiday off their hands and start the rebuild in earnest or someone to take on the Balls. I'm not sure I want the headaches they are offering. Because Holiday is signed for 3 more years, he handicaps their options going forward. A situation where its 4 for 8 and a swap of Holiday for either Baze or Plumlee with the Hawks adding 2nds as sweetner is possible. Baze or Plumlee offer cap relief after this year whereas keeping Holiday is 3 years of $26.1 million tied up. Holiday + Zion + #4 = 40% of the cap going forward. Its a bad formula. ie...don't overpay the Pelicans. They have needs and issues to consider.

So having coached years and years of youth sports...let me answer this from a different perspective. In little league anything, there is always one kid that is so much better than anyone else he can win games on his own. He's bigger, more coordinated and ahead of everyone else skills wise because his dad just can stop throwing him ground balls, tossing him spot up bounce passes (see Trae and his dad) or teaching him hand techniques in the box. Its all about the dads in youth sports. When you get a dad who gets that its all about techniques and teaches them early, the kid's skill explode. When the dad recognizes his kid has a significant physical advantage (ie, gonna be 7 feet tall, huge shoulders, lightning feet, amazing eyesight, etc) but doesn't exploit that, but instead forces his kid to fundamentals...the kid becomes so much better than his peers he can win games alone. It's nearly god like (watch Bahu'bali and Bahu'bali 2 for a visual). So then some youth coach gets this kid at 10. There is nothing he can really teach him...but he can use him. The kid plays all 30 minutes of a youth BBALL game. Pitches all 7 innings every other game or plays both ways at Tackle and Defensive end. Every play is run his way and he gets 5 tackles in the first quarter for a loss and then every play the rest of the game after the first series is run the other way. The coach acts like it was all him and feeds off it. 9 years later, that guy is always dealing with foot issues, elbow issues...any joint issue you can think of. What these coaches forget is that even if the kid seems super human, there are only so many curve balls in every elbow, only so many times you can roll over an ankle from behind and a limit to the number of times you can land on those ligaments and tiny bones in the feet/knees, hips. These coaches put kids in the weight room and they build the whole wrong muscle groups for they are doing or get way, way too tight in the wrong areas (see Al Horford 2 pectoral tears). I would love a study that looks at kids that were super dominant at 12 years old and how it relates to injuries as a pro. From my perspective, there is a direct correlation. Now the bolded above is the key to your statement. For these kids at 12...they don't have to work hard. They are so much better, they can coast. But once they make it to the NBA, even a bad NBA'r is much closer in skill level. Think of all the times last year Plumlee looked like he might be a fit. All of these guys have skills. All are incredibly strong, carrying hundreds of pounds with them. All are terrifying if playing dirty (even Matthew Dellavedova. Just ask Kyle Kover.). These guys' bodies are 1/2 way broken when they get to the NBA, they just don't know it yet and if they didn't put the right work in at 12, there is little they can do to catch up at 27.

Kevin Love 2013-14 in Minnesota - 26.1 ppg, 12.5 rpg Kevin love 2014-15 in Cleveland - 16.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg Next year they won the finals the next year...a low point for Love's stats @16.0 ppg and 9.9 rpg...his lowest ppg since his sophomore season. I think the point you are avoiding AHF is that you can look significantly more impactful on a losing team when you are the focal point. In LA, they will be bringing in one more star level player and AD will be expected to do less. Lebron is only Lebron when get gets to initiate things, control the ball on the court. AD is at his best in the same role. There is always an adjustment period but this one will be significant. Bosh had played with others before. Irving is a natural distributor/decision maker who can defer. Wade doesn't need the ball in his hands to be terrifying. AD does and there is a dynamic here that will have to be hashed out. IMHO the best thing the Lakers could do is bring back Rondo and sign Vince Carter. Rondo is a jerk but he's also a point guard who understands its all about others, not him. He can manage it. Carter is maybe the best locker room presence in the NBA and I will miss him if he leaves. But the Lakers are going to need this desperately as Lebron's skills start to fall off and AD becomes the focus.

They do. People are calling them as much as they are calling people. The problem is its moving pieces and people keep inquiring about the players on our roster we have no interest in moving more than asking about our picks. If they're calling about our picks, its an attempt to fleece us.

If we get that 4th 1st round pick, I'm 99% sure its because Bruno falls and the Hawks want to develop him.

https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-davis-is-heading-to-la-but-the-trade-details-are-getting-complicated-195914183.html I love when writers write an article on something I've been preaching all day.

Why people are jumping the gun on the Lakers trade. Post trade they look like this. Lebron 37.4 million Davis 27.1 million Wagner - 2.063 million Kuzma - 1.975 million Deng owed 5 million a year for 3 more years but not on roster. They have 5 players with a cap number of a little less than $73 million with $35 million left to spend and needing 10 more players. Basically, they're gonna try and buy one more top player and then fill out with minimum players. Free agents they can resign of their own. KCP Rondo Muscala Stephenson Bullock McGee Chandler Jermerrio Jones the Lakers have 2 great players but they are handicapped by that Lebron contract and that Deng waive/stretch.