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Dedmon gets the nod in that he is much better at stepping out to guard a stretch 5. Len is much more of a traditional center. Offensively and rebounding Len is the better player, though Dedmon can step out beyond 15 feet effectively and that gives him the nod. Were Len more dominant offensively in the post, I'd play Len.

3 considerations - 1) The 5th pick costs 1.2 million less per year than the 3rd. So the value of the 5th pick if = to the 3rd is 1.2 million better of a player at another slot. 2) By the 4th year, the deal is up to a 1.9 million difference. 3) The Hawks get a pick that will be somewhere between 6-20, a fair bet of about 13. The Hawks got Taurean at 12. This pick slots around 3.2 million year one. Okay so I now made some assumptions. I assumed a pick for the Hawks next year at pick 5. Dallas next year at pick 12, Cleveland next year at pick 15. (these picks affect "total salary" minimum if only off but a few slots). I'm assuming Plumlee and Baze are on the team all year. Given this year's roster and 3 picks next year and assuming a cap next year of $108 million. This year we are exactly $3.929 million over the cap. This is the short sighted nonsense that idiots like Simmons look at in their podcasts. But going into next year, based on the current roster we'd have 12 slots filled (this includes draft picks), 3 open slots and $34.2 million in available cap (after picks sign). This is an extremely enviable position going forward considering only 3 or 4 teams have a shot in hell of competing this year. You can't look at the Trae and Luka deal as only Trae vs Luka. It is Trae + #12(ish) next year for Luka and almost an exact 0 cap difference. (because the #12 would have been a vet min. Vet min - 12 almost exactly the difference between 3 and 5 this year.

Mark this podcast and watch them be 300 yards up Atlanta's butt in 2 years when this works out well.

Again...Euro defense, euro inside with a 6'8"frame. There is no way he's just plunging to the rim in the NBA like I've seen in vids. Completely difference play style in the NBA. As a reminder. Pero Antic once shot 70.6% from 2 in a 5 game Euro cup. In one 14 game season he scored 18.1 ppg and 9.1 rpg.

His shooting is "much" better? Based on which stat? Evan Turner shot 30% from 3 in his NBA career. Doncic shot 31% at Euro length last year. 1% is superior at 1.6 feet closer?

They'll pay, they are just trying to squeeze out the best deal. They are already into the LT as repeat offenders and every dollar they dump. Their current penalty range is in the $3.50/dollar range which means every dollar in salary they clear is a savings of $4.50. So lets look at the Onuaku waive at $1.544 million. Assuming someone picks him up, they just saved $6.95 million in salary + tax. So assume for a minute they can dump about $5 million/year in dumping Anderson, its a $22.5 million dollar savings (or a bit less because it pushes them to a lower range). If in some crazy world they can eliminate about $11 million in salary it is going to push them out of the LT and save them about $35 million total (ish). As long as it isn't a talent loss in the short term for them, they'll do it. Adding Baze over Anderson or Smith over Anderson could have been the nudge they needed last year. They're going to send out picks, they are just looking for the best net deal over the next two years (their best window). /clap /clap

Too small a sample to really make a determination but per 82games.com, Justin Anderson was a dominant player defensively at the 2. He played 519 minutes last year. 8% at the 2, So about 45 minutes at the 2. During that time he posted a 14.5 PER and the opposing SG posted an embarrassing 6.4 PER. He played about 80% of his time at the 3. So about 400 minutes. He posted a 16.7 PER and his opposing 3 posted a 15.5 PER.' He played the rest at the 4 where he was destroyed 8.3 to 27.9. His defensive numbers at the 2 and 3 were better than Baze, though Baze posted better offensive stats. Still, he was a net positive PER player at the 2 and 3 where as Baze was a net negative PER by position. Most of that was against backups but I would really like a similar stat sample. I really like his potential.

I mean its easy to look amazing dunking on disinterested Pero Antic types. But the first time he tries that nonsense on Rudy Gobert, he might qualify for PTSD meds.

Similar to what I've been saying all along. You play him at the point and he's going to get destroyed. He needs to work on his shot and become a combo G/F passing wing. But there isn't a snack cakes' chance at a weight watchers convention of him being able to guard NBA point guards.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-rockets-trade-chinanu-onuaku-220412540.html Rockets just cleared a roster spot, almost 2 mil in salary. Looks like this is preparing for dump Anderson deal somewhere. FYI, rockets have also looked at JR Smith instead of Baze.

Also Andrew White III is no longer a part of the Hawks organization.

thanks buddy!

Just an FYI, crapping on a well respected coach is not a great way to get invited back to the league.

New quote from Delaney. This dude is delusional.

So after a bit of thought, I'm thinking the leaks on the potential Hawks deals for Baze is very similar to the Dennis deal. I think they are trying to either A) up interest or B) get that 3rd team involved and act as a pass through for Anderson.

Just did some research on New Orleans. Baze has a player option for next year...the contracts are effectively both for 2 years at an average of 19 mil (Baze) and 13 mil (Hill). Positives - New Orleans has all of their draft picks going forward except of a future 2nd swap with Chicago. New Orleans is over the cap but 16 million under the LT. They have room to absorb salary. Negatives - Solomon Hill is pretty bad on paper. He would be a $6 million savings on the cap this year and next compared to Baze but is a far worse player. His contract is unmovable without giving up an asset. He is an emergency player only. New Orleans is a fringe playoff team so any pick we would get would be 15-20 at best. Baze would be a huge benefit for them and would improve them greatly, lowering the pick value. Considerations - The difference in salary between Hill and Baze is greater than 5 million but the highest salary is less than 19 million. New Orleans would have to include 1.5 million (ish) in salary to make the trade work depending on how the Len signing and Melo Buyout works. If the trade would push us below the cap then no other salary is required...it is close and I haven't done the math because I don't have exact numbers on Len/Melo. Based on the difference between the players but the increased salary for Baze...this looks like Baze for Hill + 1st or Baze for Hill + either Clark or Jackson + 1st. If we take a 2nd player it requires us to waive someone or that player.

I wanted to revive this thread at this time. Take a look back and look at the discussion that began a little less than a year ago and see the differences now.

Houston won't absorb the extra salary. They'd want to include Anderson and about 8 million of salary to balance it out. Only player on Houston that balances that out is PJ Tucker. So what you're suggesting is Anderson+Tucker for Plumlee + Baze. I'm not thinking they include incentives to do that.

If we wait a few weeks, it could be Anderson + Hartenstein + picks for Baze and that would work. Stole that from a Houston fan. Assuming Dorsey/Bembry pans out and / or Justin Anderson getting minutes replaces Baze, then getting Hartenstein in the deal moves the needle.

Let me clarify that. Suppose that a Euro team wanted to give Taurean 100 million per year. They still couldn't sign him because Taurean is signed with us. His contract restricts him from other activities (in this case, signing with another club). We own those rights. So if he was to sign with a Euro, he'd have to be released from his NBA obligation. Part of that is the players' association, part of it, his club rights which give him and the club certain rights. By going overseas, a player gives up those bargaining rights and so does the club. So paperwork must be done. Interestingly, the club still holds those rights until renounced. So in this case, part of Delaney signing overseas (from a legal perspective) is both the Hawks and Delaney renouncing whatever rights they currently have (in writing). This still doesn't complete it because only after he signs elsewhere (next step) is he then released from the NBA roster of players (as I understand things) and I've greatly simplified it here. Short answer...it takes a bit of time to dot all i's and cross all t's.

Depends on the site you are using. Some take a long time to make adjustments on non-critical players. As for our free-agents, they technically occupy part of our cap until signed by another team or renounced. So some sites leave them up until their signings become official (and a tech can get to it). In Delaney's case, he is being signed in China, but I don't think that signing is 100% complete official in regards to the NBA yet. There are some wranglings that have to happen. Signed there first, renounced here, signed off on by China basketball, acknowledged by NBA...takes time. The "announcements" in the media are usually post agreement, pre-signing and take a bit.

Player Draft slot Alex Len 5 Vince Carter 5 Trae Young 5 Taurean Prince 12 John Collins 19 Kevin Hueter 19 Justin Anderson 21 Deandre Bembry 21 Miles Plumlee 26 Omari Spellman 30 Tyler Dorsey 41 Daniel Hamilton 56 Kent Bazemore N/A Dewayne Dedmon N/A Jeremy Lin N/A Discuss!

We actually paid 25 million for Dennis Schröder not to play for us and a draft pick.

The trade was completed on July 25th. I found nothing showing he was officially waived yet (which is probably some minor haggling over his buyout. remember the Hawks now control the keys on this). Another thing holding it up, is if there is a buyout here, Anthony does officially have to sign the buyout agreement as well as whoever the official on the Hawks is that signs those. So there might be some minor logistics to getting that signed. But Len can't be signed officially until the buyout is reached because the discount on the buyout would determine how Len is actually signed. But once the buyout / waive is official...here are the details from the CBA FAQ. Waivers NBA teams can release a player to the waiver wire, where he can stay for 48 hours (during the regular season). While he is on waivers, other teams may claim him, for his existing salary. If he is not claimed, he is said to have "cleared waivers", and is treated like any free agent, able to sign with any team (with the special restriction noted above for players who were traded and then waived). Players waived after March 1 are not eligible to be on a team's playoff roster.[67] The deadline was March 23 during the lockout-shortened 2011–12 season.[17]