thecampster

Because with the roster they are assembling, that pick is going to be in the 20's.

Alright...someone teach me how to stop seeing a poster.

and that's out of line. Okay let's take just a thing or two from your post. 1) "Dennis is a good kid", he's just not in a position to mentor right now. AHEM!!! Good kids don't jump people at Hookah Bars with their posse and he's in the perfect position to mentor. He's a 5 year NBA vet who plays the same position. 2) "Dennis needs to leave the sinking ship." Are you even paying attention to summer league? Collins was a man among boys and Trae showed serious potential. Dorsey is playing better and Spellman is outplaying his 30th pick status. Heurter will be solid...you can bank that. They are developing a very good squad, have good assets coming in the future. This isn't going to be fixed overnight but some very good personnel things are happening right now. Dennis not only shouldn't "leave" but he should get his ass in the gym and start learning to put team before self. It's what point guards do.

Again, these are moving pieces. I don't believe he's done. This looks like a move before a move.

I agree in principle but lets see what this turns in to.

To quote Luke Skywalker, "Amazing! Everything you just said is wrong".

Because we don't want that space till next year. This move (regardless of what happens to Dennis) is cap neutral for next year. But it gives us options midseason, a tutor and even free agent worth a rip isn't signing for less than 4 years. This gets us a vet piece for 1 year, maintaining that space.

Yep...he's not staying....he's deadline deal trade bait if our season goes well. If not, he's an expiring for us for Free Agency next year. This is a one year, emergency point guard rental, with trade potential...nothing more.

eek...team min..not vet

See my comments yesterday to AHF.....There are "good" salary amounts for making deadline deals. Lin's is better than Baze's for a deadline deal. This trade puts them over the vet minimum and gives them a moving piece for future deals. It is also an expiring this year.

$ 12,516,746 is Lin's salary this year, not 14 million.

Lamefail is killing me.

Yah...my post is that I see improvements in summer league so I'd still like to reserve judgment on Dorsey.

Exactly....that is the time you hold someone hostage for a draft pick. Which is why nothing by cheap salaries are a problem. In some cases, you have to send back some salary so you stay below the salary line. Right now...Plumlee is gold on our roster because you can flip his 12 million to someone for their $25 million and still stay below the cap...avoiding trade rules. We have so many 1-5 million dollar players right now, it does limit us some in making that mid-season trade. Plumlee is our out right now to make it happen.

You talk a great deal about TS% but efficiency is much more complicated than that. Turnovers factor in to that, his willingness as a teammate to extend plays (be the decoy, set a screen, bail out a PG who lost their dribble). His rebounding (as previously stated) has shown his willingness to do more than just chuck. He isn't Jamal Crawford in that regard. He is a willing defender, rebounder and teammate. That should factor in as well. TS only counts your contributions on plays where "you" shoot. But I'm just as worried about how he makes other's lives easier or harder on the court. Dorsey took 16 shots tonight but there were 57 other shots where he was a decoy, pick setter, ball handler or cheerleader. He also turned the ball over twice but the rest of the team turned it over 19 times. I'm just as concerned about what he was doing during the other 19 turnovers. 57 shots, 19 turnovers....did he have an impact during those plays as well. See my rants about Landale. 2 of Trae's turnovers tonight are directly related to Landale having bricks for hands and cement shoes (the Young lead pass to the basket that Landale barely even moved on would have been a dunk for Collins). I want to know his total impact...not just one stat. I really love the impact that simple stats don't show. Consider Mutombo.....how many shots did he alter just by being in the lane. How many times did a SG pull up and shoot a jumper rather than attack the basket? Those things never show up in box scores but coaches and knowledgeable fans see them. Dorsey put a lot of work in to this part of his game during the year and in the off season. I would like to see the impact next year. The one guy on our team right now this applies to is Bembry. Bembry had been working on his shot and it is the one thing every fan harps on. But Bembry's court impact is so much more than his shot. This guy causes havoc for opposing players. He is always disrupting the passing lanes, passing people open and drawing attention when he has the ball. I hate it when fans focus on one aspect of a player's game and think that is what makes or breaks them. I really like to focus on total impact.

To be fair, Pierce knows he only has 5 possible roster guys on the floor in summer league and he probably told those guys to be heavily involved....shoot till their fingers burn and be leaders. Last year, Dorsey was trigger shy in summer league if you recall. I'm thinking his attempt to score 20+ every night he's on the floor is partly a coaching decision so Pierce has a better handle on what he can do if called upon.

BWAHHHHHHHHHH.....hold on....superstar...that's the last thing we want out of Trae. Trae's job is to make everyone else's life easier...not carry the franchise. Every trip down the floor that Prince doesn't have to initiate his own offense, that a big isn't surprised by a laser beam pass at 4 feet to his face....Every possession where a big runs the floor hoping only to get a rebound as the visionless guard throws up a wild layup and ends up 10 feet out of bounds is where Trae is going to make his money. I went back and counted. The Hawks were far better than you might have imagined last year. The Hawks lost 24 games last year by 10 points or less. If you expand to 12 points or less...over 30 games. 10 points is 5 missed shots. That's it...5 turnovers or 5 missed shots. They averaged 14.63 turnovers/game last year. They took 7015 shots, making 3130 and missing 3885. So 2 less turnovers per game and 3 less missed shots and you had a chance to win 24 more ballgames last year (doubling your win total). What do I want from Trae? I want him to help Prince, Moose, Dedmon, Baze, Bembry, Dorsey, Plumlee and Collins be in better position to score the basketball, not have stupid turnovers due to shot clock violations and not have to handle the basketball. Most importantly, if Dennis is here, I want Trae's presence to pressure Dennis into becoming a better teammate and PG.

2nd round pick, was a rookie last year...perhaps we should temper our expectations a bit. If you get a rotational guy out of the 2nd round, its a win.

He was drafted 41st ....high expectations...10 allstar games, 3 rings and a love for animals. Anything else...why would you waste a mid 2nd round pick :}

I'm not gonna lie...I'm a big enough man to admit it...I was so happy on draft night I got a bit weepy. Then later when I say Heurter keep dropping, I said...no...there's no way we get him at 19. I was yelling at the tv to trade up, trade up to grab him. I honestly thought he was gonna be one of those guys that a team is hush about and sneaks up and takes him at the end of the lottery. Just wait till you guys see KH play off of PnR stops. He plays the 3 man game off the PnR so well...sometime soon you're gonna hear. "Collins sets the screen, young starts to drive...stopped...but there's Heurter for 3...."BANG!".

Ooooo....we gots cookies?

thecampster Role Player Joined: Jul 2002 Squawkers 1,768 4,306 posts Gender:Male Fan since:1987 Posted May 31 · Report post No, I just want to start with Trae Young. He is an eyes up point guard. IMHO, that is the best way to build a team. You get an eyes up point guard, 2 deadly shooters, 2 elite crashers and play defense before a team starts it set. We have Collins as a crasher and Prince is developing as that shooter. I'd like Young, add a sniper SG and an athletic big who can crash as well as step out. But you don't see an offensive talent like Trae Young but maybe once every 5 years. You take him. Quote Feeling vindicated!!!

:) I knew you'd come around.

Oh my...was that a compliment?

23 points on 14 shots and 8 assists.... :)