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For medium deals ($10 mil +) the difference is a flat $5 million in theoretical space. So if they sent out just Baze (15.73 mil) they could take back $20.73 mil in salary. Smaller deals the difference is the 50% rule if the deal puts them over the cap (this year). Large deals the 25% rule. See below Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary Maximum incoming salary $0 to $9.8 million. 150% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000 $9.8 million to $19.6 million. The outgoing salary plus $5 million $19.6 million and up. 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000 Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary. Maximum incoming salary Any. 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000 So in the case of the original question if the deal puts the Hawks over the cap by trading Dunleavy's 4.8375 million, the Hawks can take back (4.8375 x 1.5 +.1) mil = 7,356,250 million in salary. or 4.8375 + (94 - 91.548496 million (2.451504 mil)) = 7.289004....whichever was greater (obviously the exception deal). Now here is where it gets fun. Because the Hawks are after the season, they could include any scrub off the bench who must be waived before the next game (which there are none) to meet the roster maximum and in order to make up the 50k difference. So including Calderon technically works.

Let me clarify this. For the purposes of any trade happening before July 8th (ish) we are operating at the 94 million cap number. In that scenario we are 2.5 million under the cap (barring holds etc). On July 1st that changes to a theoretical number. Including Holds....we have nothing (thank you Sap, Moose, Thabo, etc cap holds). Theoretically on July 8th (ish) and counting only the 19th pick we have about $36 million with the new cap number. This doesn't include THj's new contract (if any) or the credit of 3.3 million if he signs elsewhere, cap savings if Dunleavy is released before July 1, any trades on draft night etc. Also, when dealing with the hard numbers Hawksfanatic provided it is important to remember that hard numbers only exist in the NBA during the actual season. Prior to the start of the season and during the assembly of the roster, moves are made in theoretical space. Players can be signed and rosters built but the deals not finalized until the moving pieces are reorganized like deck chairs on the Titanic. At the request of the teams, the NBA finalizes the deals in the order that allows the salary cap shenanigans to work out right. This is why you'll see teams announce the signing or trading of a player but sometimes the official announcement doesn't hit Yahoo for days. That is because it is waiting for dominoes to fall into place to be official. In cases like this you'll hear phrases like, "have agreed in principle" or "pending league approval" or "the deal will be finalized after July xx". This kind of thing happened with Durant last year. See here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16759826/kevin-durant-announces-sign-golden-state-warriors [ "Durant's contract can be finalized Thursday, when the leaguewide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted. Warriors coach Steve Kerr was in Hawaii and said he learned about Durant's decision to join Golden State via The Players' Tribune, ESPN's Ramona Shelburne reported. The Warriors plan to renounce their rights to Harrison Barnes, sources told Stein, to help clear the salary-cap space needed to sign Durant. That will make Barnes an unrestricted free agent on Thursday. Barnes, sources told Stein, remains on course to sign with the Dallas Mavericks, who reached a verbal agreement with the 24-year-old on a four-year max deal worth $94.4 million, no matter what happened with Durant."] The situation with Barnes mirrors our situation with Thabo, Moose, Millsap etc. He reached agreement on the 5th, had to wait for the 8th and needed league clarity on the situation with Barnes. Short answer is if the Hawks play it right and barring any roster changes on draft night they will have a theoretical, approximate $40 million to spend. Before July 1st they have a theoretical $2.5 million in room.

It depends on how much. We can take back a few mil more...that is all.

8 points 7 boards is what passes for a good season....Dwight's 13/13 last year must have been stellar.

No I don't....negative influence as it relates to Bud's perception (challenging his authority) but he pushed the younger players to get better, worked with both Moose and Tavares (when he was here), became friends with Baze, Hardaway and Sap. His teammates liked him but Bud wanted to invest in Dennis (and his development) and it was to the detriment of the team in the short term. Dwight pushed back. It wasn't him being negative with the team, it was a direct conflict with the coach and pg.

Not surprising as Baze and Dwight became friends.

I can buy his negative influence as in he was directly challenging Bud. But I won't buy that he was a negative influence. His main contentious relationship was with Dennis and his ball hogging. You just removed the only real impetus to Dennis jacking up 30 shots a game.

Not necessarily. Had we held on to Dwight for 1 years he becomes a huge 23 million dollar expiring for trade bait. His lack of value this year was mostly due to the extra year on the salary. Although this provides short term flexibility (that we most certainly won't use if tanking), it provides a 12 million dollar anchor in 2019.

To be clear, Hawksfanatic's status is going to change after July 1st. The numbers he is using that state we have no cap room are pre-july1. Once Millsap signs elsewhere (assuming we don't sign and trade), his cap hold comes off the books. Same with Moose and assuming we don't trade Dunleavy tomorrow night and we release him, we gain another 3.5 million. He's using these numbers because they apply for trades tomorrow night. But 2 weeks from now, the landscape is very different.

ROFL

Bad knews, calf issues...multiple issues with his legs...very bad for a big man. Games played for his career. 14, 80, 73, 61, 32, 13. Count em up, 6 years - 492 possible games, 273 played 219 missed. Career averages 5.1/4.7. Best season 8.1/7.8. Last season, 2.4/2.1. No it doesn't look good.

We've seen this act before and it leads to 13-69 records.

He quite literally said that Dwight has a place on this team. It doesn't get more liar than that. No Dennis isn't gone. They are building with Dennis/Prince.

Dwight Howard‏: The Lord Provides My Path. Thank You Fans, Friends, Teammates and my Atlanta Hawks Extended Family. Blessed in My Journey. #BeGr8 A bit of class from Howard we didn't see in Horford.

LOL...Charlotte is going to be scary...write it down. he fits their scheme perfectly

Okay I have to give it up to you with the view reference.

Just throwing myself a bone from 2 weeks ago. Notice 2 of the 3 teams mentioned are in my original post.

I had a much cruder Dennis quote imagining himself as a college girl, The Rock and going to the hole but I decided to withhold it....on second thought...well...there you go.

Dennis on the trade "30 shots a game for the kid...Alright". If you want Dennis playing like a poor man's Harden...you just got it. If you thought Dennis was ball hogging before...OMG

Dwight has a place on this team.......as trade fodder.

sorry but the formatting sucked there. A simpler answer is trading them 19 for 20 + 26. They can't use those picks in their current form.

Best actual trade partner might be Portland. They have 3 first round picks and are in cap hell. Trading Baze to Portland and taking back 2-3 players to clear up salary for them and they might send you a first. As is, they don't even have the roster slots for their 3 firsts. They have 14 players under contract and 1 team option. They are 37 million over the cap and will be repeat offenders of the LT. Saving them $10 million in salary would save them close to $50 million in tax....no I am not making that up.

Uhm....Prince =13 million less a year than Dennis. If you want to build this (like Golden State) you need to build with quality at low salary. Giving up a 2 million dollar starter is insanity.

Well ..... remind me that when I'm having a party and I need someone to poop on it, that you're an expert.

I keep saying this....look at Boston's cap situation in 2 years. This year their beginning number is $71 million (which looks nice) but they have to make decisions on Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, James Young, Gerald Green and that number includes a qualifying offer for Olynyk at 4.279 million (who will probably make much more than that). Next year they have Avery Bradley, Tyler Zeller, Isaiah Thomas, Kelly Olynyk (if he doesn't sign an RFA contract elsewhere that gets matched). All of those players made a total of $47.6 million. 3 of those will eat up that much when signed and 1/2 will be gone. Boston will need all of those mid 1st round picks to fill in roster space with an aging Horford, fragile Thomas and potentially overpaid Olynyk. Their saving grace is Crowder is locked up for 3 more years at 7 million per. Boston has all that space because they have quite a few pipers to pay.