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PF is probably the 2nd strongest position in the league right now (next to PG). Sap is going to command 10-12 million on the open market. Although his steals number, effort and shot are all very good, his rebounding numbers are far from high enough to demand max type money. SF is the 2nd weakest position in the league right now next to SG (which is atrocious). DC's season numbers equate to 7 million a year. His playoff numbers raise that to 9-10 million. So in answering the 3rd or 4th reply to this thread. No, resigning DC at $10/year does not preclude us from resigning Sap. What this does do is bring up the debate of AL/Sap vs Monroe/AL or Gasol/AL or (insert center here)/AL. For all that Paul does, playing Horford undersized at the center position and Millsap undersized at the PF position will be an easy butt whooping for any big team we play again (just look at what Memphis did to us in the regular season or the effect Lopez had in round one). You cannot honestly begin this discussion without discussing who is expiring at the end of 2016 (trade bait) and who we are drafting. Expirings for 2016 are Horford (not going anywhere), Scott, Mack, Bazemore, Antić (option this year), and Schröder/Muscala who are both on team options. Any reasonable scenario for the Hawks upgrading at a position during the season/trading seasons come from trading a package of Scott/Mack/Bazemore/Antić/Schröder and/or Moose. In 2016 you need to have enough money to resign Horford and fill out your roster. One last comment on this. The interesting thing about Korver's (and Thabo's) salary is how cap friendly it becomes. Korver's salary the next two years decreases instead of increases by $500,000 annually making Korver's salary very Hawk and trade friendly. Thabo's decreases by $150,000/year for the next 2 years. So technically, without doing anything, the Hawks artificially are creating $650,000 in extra cap room each of the next 2 seasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suwanee,_Georgia

JTB, I have lived all over the Atlanta area. Paulding, Cobb, Fulton and Gwinnett counties. In my opinion, Suwanee is maybe the best place in town to live for the money and is on my short list of where I am looking for a job so I can move back that way. It is cheaper than Roswell / Alpharetta but with a similar quality of people, low crime. It allows access to the City via 85. There is some MARTA access in the area, but not so close as to invite a criminal element. Mall of Georgia, Lake Lanier and outlet malls are due north, and 400 is a reasonable drive west from western Suwanee. It is closer than areas like Alpharetta, Sugar Hill or Acworth, but is not too crowded like Norcross, Roswell, Marietta. Suwanee also has a diverse population with a healthy mix of many races. All the following is from Wikipedia. --------------------------------------------- Population as of 2010, 15,355. Ethic diversity, 67.4% white, 18% Asian, 10.8% Black, 6.75% Hispanic. Median household income $84,038. Less than 3% of the population below the poverty line. In 2003, Suwanee was named a City of Excellence by the Georgia Municipal Association and Trend Magazine. In 2007, Suwanee was voted among the Top 10 Best Places to Live by Money Magazine. In 2012, Suwanee was voted the 3rd best place in America for raising a family. In 2013, Suwanee was identified as one of the nation's 10 best towns for Families by Family Circle magazine. -------------------------------------------- As someone who lived northeast of there in Dacula and shopped/worked in the area for 8 years, Suwanee was far and away the best kept secret in the area. Tons of golf, swim, tennis communities, shopping, work opportunities. Close to the Gwinnett Arena and other attractions as well. But if your original question is low crime, good schools for kids while still affordable, Suwanee is hard to beat.

Time to revisit this thread...cough cough.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/11/hawks-celtics-foul.ap/index.html This should sum up exactly what hawks fans here are talking about. In this case, the refs even reviewed it on replay and still made the call against Atlanta. This happens to us every year at pivotal times.

Okay, let me see if I can answer the OP's questions. 2nd half of the season records do not matter. The Hawks rested a different player (sometimes 3) every game for the last 30 games. The Hawks had HC advantage locked up by the all-star break and put it in cruise control. Throw that record out the window. Teams with length and rim protectors give the hawks fits. Brook Lopez and Joe Johnson's length at their positions was extremely troubling for the Hawks. This length limits the number of successful drives Jeff and Dennis can have. The Hawks play 3 distinct concepts in their offense. Shoot the 3, pick and rolls at the elbows and point guard hard drives. It is really that simple. Length disrupts two of those. Washington comes with a unique problem for the Hawks in having 2 big defenders in the lane, Nene and Gortat. These two series were issues of matchups and not indicative of the Hawks abilities. Everything begins and ends with Jeff Teague's speed. In the Brooklyn series, Teague reinjured an ankle that gave him fits the entire second half. In both the Brooklyn and Washington series, he stepped on a big's foot (Lopez and Nene). This limited Jeff's ability to elevate on his shot and drive to the rim. The ankle began to heal in the last 2 games and has now had 3 days of rest. NBA refs watch film of every team before ref'ing a game. They have prep too. This is how they know where to stand to see calls, etc. If you watch James play, he has bread and butter plays intended to draw fouls. Many times, you can hear the whistle before the contact. The refs just know it is going to happen. Sometimes...you hear the whistle blow but the contact doesn't occur. It only takes 2 or 3 bad calls to completely turn a game. This is the complaint here. Conversely, the Hawks rely heavily on jump shooting and screens. This limits the number of foul calls they would receive. passing and team ball does not yield foul calls like ISO ball. There is always a disparity. Because passing does not give the referees a chance to anticipate the foul, many times it goes unnoticed. This is a non-issue for me. Foul calls part 2 - Let me take you back a few years to the Celtics series. Out of bounds play. Hawks player is fouled before the inbounds. Refs call the foul, then fail to give him shots and the ball...instead, just give the ball out of bounds again. This type of call is consistent with our post seasons. Foul calls part 3 - The hatchet man - Joey Crawford is the referee on the floor in nearly every game the NBA wants the Hawks to lose. If Crawford is ref'ing our game, expect Hawks fans to cry foul. Crawford is notorious around here for "keeping games close".

Well you guys haven't seen me around these parts very much. Just a once in a blue moon post the last few years. Wanted to pop in and say....it is finished. Went back...got the Bachelor Degree and then popped my knuckles a few times and finished the Masters. 3 years, 8 months later. Master of Science Management of Information Systems. Good GPA, looking to move up with my company now. Yes, I have been following the Hawks (and The Squawk) all season, I just haven't had a lot of time to post.

Lebron James vs Atl this season with Love and Irving 23.67 ppg, 5.67 apg, 5 rpg, 4.67 to/g ATL record 3 and 1. James gets his but is a turnover machine vs Atlanta. Carroll and Millsap are excellent defenders against James (as good as anyone is anyway). Atlanta in 5.

right now...2 good ankles....other than that....nothing

Way back in the day when all Denver did is run and try to score 300 points a game, I remember the refs would always call ghost fouls in order to slow the game down....hard time keeping up. If you watched Hawks @ Denver in the late 90's...you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I'd buy a Moosegoggles shirt (in red and white, but never navy).

Hawks with Demarre 19-5. Hawks without = 2-2. I think the debate is pretty much settled. Last season, Hawks with Al Horford, 16-13. Hawks without Horford = 22-31. There are certain players on a team who do things that show up in a box score and others who just help you win games. Carroll is one of those players. Horford is one of those players. Complete players who play both ways and whose contribution is greater than the sum total of their stats.

Did you really just compare a 2 game, 11 minute sample to a 3 game 43 minute sample? I truly hope that was hyperbole. Also, we saw Mike Scott be dominant in summer league and much improved at the end of the season. We saw Schröder have glimpses of popcorn vendor in his future.

I realize it is only a 3 game sample but Scott is currently shooting 73.7% from the field and 63.6% from 3. His current per 36 stats are. 27.3 PPG 8.2 RPG 2.2 APG There had to be a way to give him more than 14 minutes in the Spurs game...there had to be.

Wrong, that was an illegal screen on 3 accounts. That people have become so accustomed to cheap play in the NBA and more importantly bad or homer officiating is an indictment of the league. http://www.ehow.com/how_2267461_spot-illegal-nba-screen.html 1. Look for bodily contact. When the opposing player brought his forearms up into Josh's chest/collarbone region...that made it an illegal screen. 2. Watch the position. When the opposing player stepped in behind Chillz, he need to allow Josh room to pivot and step. Josh took one step on the pivot square into the screen. Not leaving room on a back screen is illegal. 3. Check for movement. First, the screener did not come to a full stop as evidence by his arms still coming up into Josh's chest. Two, the movement of both players showed that Childress was not allowed enough room to stop or change directions. Regardless, look at number 4 on the list. The player in back is responsible for any contact. This screen is illegal because it A) came from the backside and B) left no room for movement C) created contact initiated by the screener and D) involved the use of his moving body and arms.

7. Mike Freakin Scott. Bud discovering Scott could play mid season (mostly by necessity) meant a ton of confidence for the kid and therefore a much improved offseason attitude. Scott will give opponent benches fits.

considering how brutal that illegal screen was, good for Josh. Sometimes, you take the 3 game suspension to make everyone wonder if they should ever do that again. A little 80's Detroit Pistons in Childress it seems.

Really hard to bench a guy who was a vital part of your team last year over 7 preseason games. Perhaps if you jerked on something more productive than your knee, we could avoid these conversations in the future?

How much of a stake will tree fiddy get me?

Just wondering if the Hawks have released info yet on the annual free scrimmage?

Back at Christmas time I participated in National Georgraphics GENO 2.0 project. Everyone's DNA shows African roots. All Europeans and some Easterners show either and or both of Neanderthal and Denisovan. Attached are my results. infographic.pdf

Actually if you wrote/stated a racial slur and I went to my boss and said, "ViperXX79 just wrote this" or "This is what ViperXX79 said about Bob the Builder", I would not get fired. Context is everything. When Ferry was reading these scouting reports, if he would have read it and then said, "Woah, that's inappropriate" (and alerted the team whose scouting report it came from), all things would/should be good. But that doesn't seem to be what happened. What seems to have happened here was, he read it and moved on sort of matter of factly. This is why not knowing what actually happened in that meeting is so wrong. Transparency is 99% of the battle here and that is not what is happening. Which is never a good sign.

In the context of recent events, you realize how racist that is right? How about, "The Hawks need a saavy, dedicated owner, color be damned."

Whoopi Goldberg - (minute 2:20+)

Is it wrong to say, "I'm glad I'm not the one getting yelled at on this board this week"?