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What we had in Joe.Career stats:17.8 ppg on 15.4 shots per game, 4.4 apg, 4.2 rpg, 2.2 turnovers per game...44.4% shooter. 3.2 FT attempts per game...most of which were gimmees at the end of regulation during a win.Who was Joe Johnson? a guy who when you combined his turnovers and shot attempts was good for 1.01 points per possession that ended with Joe.Let's compare that to other shooting guards of the current or last era.Reggie Miller - 18.2 ppg on 12.4 shots per game, 3.0 apg, 2.4 rpg, 1.7 to. Miller was good for 1.29 points per possession that ended with him.There is your difference. Nothing else. Reggie wasn't good enough to will his team to a championship and he was a 28% more efficient scorer.Joe Johnson was advertised as a Reggie Miller. He turned out to be a 12 million dollar a year, very good shooting guard in a 20 million dollar a year contract.Let's look at another good G-F who wasn't quite good enough. Clyde Drexler.The Glide scored 20.4 ppg for his career on 16.3 shots per game. He pulled down 6.1 rebounds and got 5.6 assists. Although he committed 2.7 turnovers he also had 2.0 steals per game. He was good for 1.07 points per possesion that ended with him.This is the bar for the "almost Jordans". You are either Drexler who throw your body in for the extra rebounds and get the extra assists or you are Miller who is a very efficient scorer. If you aren't, you aren't great..you are very good and very good is what you build your team around at Center/PG....not at SG. I can only think of 3championship teams built around a SG Bulls, Heat, Lakers. 2 of those included Shaq for the most part the others included a guy named Pippen. Joe is no Kobe, Wade and definately no Jordan. You don't build around Joe. You don't give him license to dribble out the clock like Kobe, let him take the last shot like Jordan or trust him to do whatever it takes like Wade. He isn't that guy. That's what we had in Joe. A really nice player who could up his stats when he had no one on the roster. He has now been run into the ground by Woodson and needed to go. Every year will be a down year for Joe. He will quickly be Ray Allen, then McGrady.

It's like they read my posts or something. http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/7/24/3174827/dwight-howard-trade-rumors-important-dates-this-season

Without Rose....you believe that?

I believe the slow down by JJ this year will surprise everyone. He will have the ball in his hands far less this year.

Less than 4 months to find out.

Smith career high Smith 38 vs bucks. Horford 31 (twice) on 13 shots. But whatever. Zaza = rebounds and defense. Lopez = scoring and a broken foot. Don't think for a minute Lopez continues to get those touches with Williams and JJ now in town.

Being real generous here C - DH12 PF - Horf - 12 SF - Smoove - 13.2 SG - Morrow/Jenkins - 5 PG - Teague/Harris - 11 and a solid, deep bench with: CG - Williams - 5 SG - Morrow/Jenkins - already paid PG - Teague/Harris - already paid C - Zaza - 5.5 PF - Benson/Scott - 1.5 And resigned 2012-13 veterans, either Stevenson, Korver, and/or Petro. 11 total Assuming you got everything you want, before Dwight I count 64 million, no one traded. How pray tell did we get Dwight too? I'm going to make this easy and quite frankly this whole post belongs up in the Dwight thread but. In order to get Dwight, you will have to sign him next year into the voided salary space left by the expiring contracts of Harris, Smith, Paculia, Morrow, Petro, etc. On the books you will definately have Teague, Horford, Stephenson, Williams, Jenkins for a total of 23 million. Now if we assume you are keeping Smith, you have a bare minimum of 13.2 million from last year and I'm not sure of his "hold". But let's assume the lower which is 13.2 million. Even if you renounced your rights to all of the above free agents. You are then at 36.2 million committed (barring tragedy this year Josh is not signing for 13.2 next year). That leaves 22 million to sign Dwight. For each of the above listed free agents you keep, your room to sign Dwight gets smaller as do your sign and trade chips. This is the same issue Brooklyn had this offseason in trying to acquire him. The reason we have all the assets (listed below this) is to attempt to acquire Dwight on or after September 15 when all the traded players become available. We will need about 17 million in salary to take back Dwight and JRich. Morrow - 4 (he's staying....Dwight bait) Korver - 5 Williams - .76 Petro - 3.5 Harris - 8.5 and Zaza - 5.23 Now I want you to look at a very interesting anomaly there. Korver + Williams + Petro + Harris = 17.75 ish million. Take out Petro and add in Zaza and you can take back Earl Clark too. Doesn't matter to me. Either deal keeps us out of the Luxury Tax. I've been talking about this for 2 weeks and we haven't seen a Dwight deal yet. I'm betting this deal goes down around Sept 15-18 with 2-3 first round picks included.

The Knicks will have very little on the bench as will the Nets. I think you'll be suprised by where they finish. I think Boston will be better than both by season's end. Rondo, Terry, Pierce, Garnett are still formidable...their rookies proved in summer league they can contribute from the bench. On this subject of bench. Bench play makes or breaks almost every game in the NBA, sans games vs Miami, OKC. Bench outplays their bench, you win more times than not. Most starting units are fairly evenly matched. Usually a 3vs2 matchup split. Bench plays a very big role.

5 game sample last year...Lopez averaged 3.6 Rebounds. Previous season, 6 rebounds in over 30 minutes a game. That is a soft center. We've had this argument before. Basketball is much more than your scoring average. Lopez is very, very soft defensively and rebounding.

This is very true. You can no longer just pack it in on the Hawks. I expect good years from Josh, Al, Zaza. As of right now, though. They have said Harris will play alongside Teague. I'm guessing they both start, early entrance from Lou and one plays the point when Lou is in the game. Harris will play both positions this year.

Scrub listMilwaukeeCharlotteWashington (though they will be better)Orlando (once they lose Dwight)Toronto (though depending on health they could be better)DetroitCleveland (which totally sucks as I love Varejao)I don't see any of these teams making the playoffs. I'm just getting them out of the way now. Orlando is the Bubble team in my opinion based on how the Dwight saga goes. I believe they will push Philly out if they make it. Philly has lost too much.

Hawks vs KnicksContinuing the series in the time I can.PG - Teague vs FeltonTeague wins this matchup. Defensively holding Felton down hard and having enough offense of his own to win decisively. At this stage of his career, I believe Teague wins vs Jason Kidd as wellSG - Harris vs JR SmithHarris speed and playmaking ability makes this an easy win over JR Smith who is a good player but can not guard Harris.SF - Smith vs AnthonyAs much as I love Josh, I'm giving the edge to Anthony here. In recent years, Anthony has been a more willing defender and Josh's offensive game doesn't match Anthony's. This is only close based on Josh's willingness to share the ball and better defense.PF - Horford vs StoudemireBest matchup by far. Horford gets the edge based on defense but this is really nothing more than a tie.C - Zaza vs ChandlerThe puncher doesn't have a chance vs Chandler who is still one of the least flashy but most effective centers in the game. Man I wish we had him.Bench - The Hawks bench with Lou Williams, Morrow, Korver, Jenkins and company will keep almost every bench this year on the run as they try to find a way to match point for point with the Hawks.Coaching - I hate Woody. I don't care if he did a decent job at the end of the year last year. I'd like to shave his eyebrows again. Advantage Drew on class alone.Conclusion - I like the Knicks and think they'll make the playoffs as the 5th or 6th seed but I don't see them as better than the current Hawks.

Hawks vs NetsWith all of the talk about the Hawks taking a step back (something I don't agree with since they played without Horford last year), I decided to do some comparisons.PG - Teague vs WilliamsAdvantage Nets but remembering Teague has shown an ability to limit quality point guardsSG - Harris vs JJAdvantage even - Yes, you heard me...even. JJ can't guard Harris and the feeling is mutual. JJ is too big for Harris who is too fast for JJ. JJ's unwillingness to rebound, help on D, create contact and propensity to hold the ball too long breaks this down to even. Harris is a better distributor, capable shot maker/creator and he draws fouls.SF - Josh vs WallaceAdvantage Hawks. Yes I have Josh at the SF but until the Hawks find a quality starting SF, Zaza at the 5 is a better model than Korver at the 3. Josh is just too much for Wallace at this stage of Wallace's career. I will keep this model through future comparisons.PF - Horford vs....it doesn't matter. As a PF with a decent center, Horford beats all but a handful of guys in the NBA right now.C - Zaza vs LopezThis is a tie. Zaza is a better rebounder, quality defender. Lopez is better offensively but is injury prone and is shy of contact.Bench - As currently constructed, the Hawks bench is better than almost every team in the NBA.With Morrow, Korver, Jenkins, alone they have more firepower than most NBA teams on the bench. Add in Petro, Williams, Stephenson and the Hawks will struggle to settle on a finite 8 - 9 man rotation.Coaching - Drew needs to show something this year. Until he does, the Hawks will lose this to most playoff capable teams.In Closing, I don't see this year's team finishing worse than the Nets. Williams and JJ can only take you so far against big teams. The Nets will lose to Big or Athletic teams more times than not.

http://blogs.ajc.com...fid=blogs_hawks Assuming Al/Josh aren't going anywhere. We currently have Zaza and Teague available to trade, at about 7.5 million in value. Big things here. Currently we have acquired the following players via trade this year. Harris Morrow Petro Williams Korver About 16.8 million in assets to move These are all movable right now in 1 for 1 deals. However, these can all be packaged starting between Sept 10 - 15. Via Sign and trade Stephenson He will be available after Dec 15 to trade. 2.3 million in value. Current room under the LT 5 million. By Sept 15 we will have 24.3 million in salary we can move. By Jan 1....another 10-13 ish. I'm having no problem trusting Ferry at this point.

That looks like just a piece of poor writing on the author's part....bad research.

Hawks win 67-61Jenkins - 8 of 11, 3 of 5 on 3's 21 pointsScott - 2 of 4, 7-9 on FT's - 11 points / 7 boardsBenson - 3 of 6, 8 points, 6 boards - 5 FoulsTaylor - 3 of 4, 7 pointsno one else impressed.these 4 shot 16 of 25 (64%) / scoring 47 points on those 25 shots (1.88 points per attempt)rest of the team was 5 of 27 (18.5%) scoring 20 points on those 27 shots. (.74 points per attempt)Summer league stats to date:Jenkins is currently 26 of 52 shooting 50%, 43.8% 3PT. 16.3ppg. 2.3 RPG, 1.3 APG, .8 SPG. 1 Turnover per game. Averaging 28.3 minutes.Keith Benson is 14.3ppg / 7rpg, 57.5%Mike Scott is 9.0ppg / 6.8rpg but shooting a woeful 32.4%

Alright, I've given this much thought. Orlando is holding out for someone to take Turkoglu back. Salary wise, we are short.Tradeable assets right now are Horford, Teague, Zaza, Smith. Assuming Smith stays.In order to trade for both, you need 20.4 million in salary to go Orlando's way.Horf, Teague, Zaza's salaries add up to 19.68 million. .72 million short (close approximations). Assuming we could convince one of our free agents to sign with Orlando to make up the difference (say Willie Green for 3 years, 3 million per...1 year guaranteed.) to take back Hedo, Duhon and Dwight. Probably would take Houston's first next year and our first in 3 years.Would you do this if you can get Dwight to commit long term?Horf/Teague/Zaza/Green/2 firstsforDwight / Hedo / Duhon

Bigger LOL....check your old messages.

Sorry this took a while to respond to. I was waiting on ShamSports to update. They haven't yet. So using hoopshype it is listed below. Filling in the empty spots with the best guess we have. We are currently between 63 and 65 million. 13 players on the roster, 1 waived and going overseas (14 total). Player 2012/13 Josh Smith F $13,200,000 Al Horford F/C $12,000,000 Devin Harris PG $8,500,000 Zaza Pachulia C $5,248,750 Lou Williams G ??? Kyle Korver G/F $5,000,000 Anthony Morrow G/F $4,000,000 Johan Petro C $3,500,000 Jeff Teague PG $2,433,076 DeShawn Stevenson G/F $2,240,450 John Jenkins G $1,204,560 Ivan Johnson F/C ??? Jordan Williams F $762,195 Jordan Farmar Waived TOTALS: $53,089,031 Center - 2 F/C - 2 F - 2 G/F - 3 G - 2 PG - 2 I'm hoping this positional breakdown helps explain what I think roster makeup will be. Positional labels are based on what positions I believe they will commonly play during the course of the year.

Jody, Dolfan and I have talked about this offline. There is a history of Josh saying he wants to be here. I constantly point to this interview he gave on Jim Rome where he discusses getting hurt feelings about being in trade rumors because he wants to be here. http://www.jimrome.com/junglehighlights?uri=channels/465575/1624026 The whole...Josh wants a trade....has never been true.

Probably should have quoted multiple posts on you. I just ignored Dallas because he's not going there period. No assets whatsoever.

Oh heck...why not? For the rest of the MLE I guess.

You know...for a capologist, you're having a hard time with the current numbers and Brooklyn getting Dwight??? They've got minimal current draft picks (less than 3 years) and those picks will be low impact. The Houston pick we own has more value than 3 Brooklyn picks should they land Dwight as Houston is probably 14-20 where the 3 Brooklyn picks would be 28-30 and future picks. Even if we just went scrub sale in 2 months when the traded players become available, we can put together a much better package of expirings and picks without offering Horford. Most of Brooklyn's players won't be available till Dec 15. Most of ours will be available around Sept 15. Early enough to get them into Magic camp, settled, etc.

I always find it funny how different people see things, pick up on what they want. He called Ferry a good GM, said organization is now headed in the right direction. He responded to every Dwight question with excited school girl laughter. He acknowledged that the team now has players who can really stroke the ball (I'm guessing an indictment on his past feelings). Very interesting. Didn't realize he was close to both Joe and Marvin. The view on the squawk was possible friction on the team with personalities. We know he gets along with AL. Just interesting.

Yes Petro 4.7ppg/3.9rpg and .5bpg in 15 minutes for his career. 26 age Darko 6.0ppg/4.2rpg and 1.3bpg in 18 minutes for his career. 27 age