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didn't the new CBA change it to 150%? "1. It will be easier to make trades. Under the old labor agreement, the salaries of the traded players had to be within 125 percent (plus 100K) of each other. That will remain the case for taxpaying teams, but the new agreement also makes it muuuuch easier for non-tax teams to swing uneven trades. For those teams, it is 150 percent (plus 100K) of the salaries being traded, or the 100 percent of the salaries being traded plus $5 million. The limit on the amount of cash that can be included in a trade remains $3 million — but teams are now limited to trading $3 million in cash per season. So you can’t just dump $3 million into every trade as you could in the past." http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/11/28/two-new-trade-rules-in-the-new-cba/

Let me make this simpler.Brooklyn has to want to trade. Orlando has want to trade. Orlando has said they want to give up their bad contracts. Brooklyn doesn't have the salary to send back to make it work.

They still can only send one of Humpries/Lopez. They need to trade similar salary and they don't have it.After our trade with them and given Humpries, Lopez aren't worth enough Teletovic, Williams, Wallace, JJ aren't tradeable and Brooks is only 1 million. They don't have the assets to pull off the trade.Williams, JJ, Wallace, Brooks, Teletovic are $54 alone. With cap holds they are over the cap. Salaries have to be within 150%. Meaning just to get Howard and take back no bad contracts Brooklyn has to give up about 13 million in salary. Their only assets are Brooks 1 million and Humphries/Lopez.Lopez has already said he doesn't want to go to Orlando. This is a non-story. Just journalist speculation.Brooklyn also won't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent next year.

Nope...was wrong I guess but everything posted everywhere said no 2 picks in consecutive years. I still contend I'm the man since I predicted the SAR trade 8 days early. I've got bank ;)

Smith is 13.2 currently and if current play continues he is now at his prime. he would command 15-16 on the open market now. CP3 is a max guy. Howard is a max guy. So before you sign either agent, you are at 27 million next year + Teague's hold + other holds. Current level is 58 million. You are looking 31 million available....each player would have to sign for 15.5 million minus 1/2 of existing cap holds. No...the big 4 conversation is not going to happen. If you want Dwight/CP3...Horford is gone.

Stephenson's contract will be done on the 11th which is when the deal is actually done I believe. Which is why we technically can't/won't trade for Dwight until next Wednesday. We technically don't own the assets required yet.

IE...LA just traded the picks they needed to land Dwight. This helps us, not hurts us you knucklehead.

Harris' best years were after Dallas. They were in NJ.

Audible sigh!!! You make my brain hurt. Teague - Best season - 12.6 / 2.4 / 4.9 Harris - Career average - 13.0 / 2.4 / 5.0 Harris - Best season - 21.3 / 3.4 / 6.9 Your completely ill informed, obviously trolling opinions are getting old and tired. Harris career averages are better than Teague's best year. Somebody remind me where the "IGNORE A TROLL" button is again!!!

Guys on the Orlando board are saying they know they can't trade with NJ and they don't value Lopez and Humphries. They're split about 50/50 between LA and the Hawks as prospective trade partners.The Hawks deals they are suggesting are Horford/Teague/Filler + picks or Horford/Harris + picks and in return they want us to take back Dwight + JRich and Duhon's contract. They're sure they are stuck with Hedo.I think we are working this and its just a matter of details now.So assuming this gets done, here is what we are looking at.Teague/DuhonJenkins/RichardsonMorrow/Stephenson/WilliamsSmoove/Scott/Ivan/Dwight/Zaza/Petrositting at about $62 million in salary and have our mid level for one player.

And I'm being fair here. He does have natural limitations, lift being one of them. He will definately need to be option 2 or less. But the height thing only comes into play for "first options" offensively and in spot up shooter mismatches defensively (like guarding Kobe or Wade shooting jumpers). I think what people are doing is making a knee jerk to Joe being gone. I think of it like this. Option 1: Zaza at center / Horf at PF / Josh at SF and a very good bench or Option 2: Horf at center / Josh at PF / Marvin at SF with a piss poor old oft injured bench In that situation, Zaza is better defensively and rebounding rate than Horf at the 5 based on size alone (though not offensively), Horf is better than Josh at the 4, Josh is better than Marvin at the 3 based on pure effort alone. To get option 1, you needed to give up JJ and Marvin. You get much better overall at the point by adding Harris to the mix. You get much better off the bench on both ends of the floor. You give up JJ's points and size in exchange for whatever the rookie gives you. It is a gamble, but I see improvement at 3 positions on the floor and 5 positions in the rotation in exchange for losing what JJ brings. We aren't done yet.

And now for real information here. I saw Jenkins play multiple times this year (funny part is I didn't watch tons of college basketball but saw Jenkins play 3 times...go figure). Most reporters, draft coverage guys, etc are all sharing the same information about these college players. They don't have the resources to research them individually so they go off of recruiting information that is some times 4 years old. They listen to the equally misinformed talking heads and just repeat what they hear. Yes Jenkins is a good shooter. A really, really, really good shooter. The real knock on Jenkins is 2 inches in height and average foot speed. He is 6'4, 205 (up to 215 depending on what you read). For fun, I'm going to show you a draft profile and then tease up to who the player was. ------------- PlayerX 6'3" 175lbs - Projection, Late 1st round to Early 2nd round. Position - PG/SG Who knows. There's been zero buzz about PLAYERX and now most scouts are conceding that he's not a point guard. After he tested so poorly athleticially in Chicago, the second round sounded like a forgone conclusion. However, a number of GMs have told Insider they believe PlayerX has a promise somewhere in the mid-first round. No one, however, seems to have a clue where it is. Final result - 10th pick in the 2nd round, 40th overall. Best season so far 25.5 / 4 / 5.3 career averages 19.5 / 3.7 / 4.5 College - none The player - Monta Ellis The "questions" about athletically challenged or height are usually just buzz words that get picked up. Typically spread by GM's hoping the kid will slide to them. The other question is he is from Vandy. If this kid dropped 19.9 points a game while at Duke, he would have gone in the lottery. But he didn't, he was at Vandy. This makes him a risk because he wasn't from a premier program. The reality is Vandy was devoid of talent with Jenkins having to work hard to come off screens to free himself up. Jenkins regularly drove to the basket as well and was adept at drawing fouls. Jenkins shot 458 attempts his senior year. 305 of those were 3 pointers. This means he shot 153 2 point attempts. Jenkins attempted 153 FT's as well his senior year. Think about that. He shot as many free throws as he did 2 pointers. That means we he drove, he got to the line. Look at his stats between his freshman and junior years. The percentages are almost identical. This is a 3 year set of averages. This is no flyer on a Marvin type player. This is a 3 year proven commodity. he scored less the freshman year but he played 10 less minutes a game and shot less. His percentages are almost identical for 3 straight years. At the same time, he had more to make up for as the talent at Vandy was not up to par with Florida, Kentucky, etc in the SEC. Vandy's point guard only average 4.1 assists per game. The team only averaged 12.1 per game. This means Jenkins had to be doing some creating. Jenkins isn't as gifted as other players but he makes up for it with saavy, using his body well, positioning, BBIQ. "Athletic players" are projects that take years to develop. Intelligent, well schooled players like Jenkins step in right away and see little drop off in their game. My guess is he scores 12+ points a game if he starts.

Jordan 34, Pippen 120.

Side note....Rasheed Wallace - 313 technical fouls in his career. 41 in 00'-01' alone.KG - 144 for his careerPaul Pierce - 86

That said, I still go back to the Jim Rome interview where he brings up his treatment, the contract, the trade rumors and is like "what am I doing wrong that you want to trade me?" Complete hurt feelings in that interview and yet he still isn't doing the things Dwight is. Sulking on the court after blown calls...yep...arguing with the refs...yep...all while the 120 million dollar man just goes about his business, not sticking up for his own, not being a leader, never getting a tech. That is what leaders do. They take up for their own. I'd be pissed too. Joe Johnson career technical fouls 12. As a Hawk 7. (since 05-06 season) Al Horford - 8 in 5 years. Pachulia - 33 Josh Smith - 55 in 7 years. That works out to 1.4 times a season, Joe spoke up and got a technical. I agree Josh does it too much, but maybe its because his coaches and "team's best player" didn't do it enough.

Completely agree. This isn't like Josh's situation where he had to go find his own money and newsflash from the Josh Smith Apologist, Josh is no tragic hero either. Getting 12ish million a year to run up and down the court in the ATL is nothing tragic. 20+ million to do the same is no different.

I thought about this today. If Houston does well this year....we get their first round pick but it makes the second round pick we already have better. If they're in the lottery, we get their second round pick but its close to a first.

No, it's just a game they need to play. Hold the cap holds for potential sign and trades...then release them at the right time. It's weird but Ferry will have to work on that list as well.

Here is your explanation. Read it! http://www.shamsport...hedeuce.htm#key "Question: What is a cap hold and why may I want to ask that? Answer: Your team's free agents have what is called a "cap hold." This is an amount of money that is charged to your team's salary cap number, even though the player isn't under contract. This is a deliberate ploy that exists to close a loophole; if cap holds didn't exist, it's theoretically possible for a team to have its entire roster become free agents at the same time, have their entire cap to spend on other team's free agents, and then use Bird rights to re-sign their own ones afterwards. And that would be disingenuous. This way, your free agents eat into your cap room, forcing you to prioritise a bit better. And the players below have cap holds (also known as "free agent amounts") that have not yet been renounced, making them technically interesting. Technically. If you waive a player, they are automatically renounced, and so will not have a cap hold. If a player signs with another NBA team, they also no longer have a cap hold to their former team. And if a player retires (by which I mean he properly retires, sending official retirement paperwork to league and everything, and not just informally saying that they've retired), then their free agent amount is removed too. However, players often don't formally retire until they're eligible for their NBA pension, and the reason for that (other than laziness) is that many of them still have cap holds with NBA teams, which means that they can still be incorporated into sign and trades as salary filler for trades. It would be an extremely impossible thing to imagine had it not already happened: at the 2007 trade deadline, Aaron McKie and Keith Van Horn were both signed and traded to complete deals while being unofficially retired, earning them 7 figures worth of free cheddar. And all they had to do was not file the retirement paperwork. It's implausible, but it happens. (Similarly, if a player's contract with an NBA team expires without him going through waivers, and he then signs with a non-NBA team, he will continue to have a cap hold until he's renounced.) These cap holds can stick around for years if the team remains over the salary cap in that time. And, as you'll see below, they do. There's some players from the late 90's on here, for God's sake. However, when teams have set themelves up for cap room, they renounce these basically useless free agent amounts to maximize how much room they have. For example, in the summer of 2007, Milwaukee, Orlando and Memphis all figured to have cap room, and so they renounced all their free agents who weren't under contract. These included players from previous years; Orlando renounced Darko Milicic, Grant Hill, Andrew DeClercq, Stacey Augmon, Jaren Jackson, Mark Jones, Shawn Kemp, Sean Rooks, Bo Outlaw and Olumide Oyedeji; Milwaukee renounced Reece Gaines, Jermaine Jackson, Ervin Johnson, Toni Kukoc, Jiri Welsch, Ruben Patterson, Brian Skinner, Jared Reiner and Earl Boykins; and Memphis renounced Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Junior Harrington, Lawrence Roberts, Mike Batiste, Antoine Carr, Kevin Edwards, Antonis Fotsis, Dahntay Jones, Will Solomon and Doug West. The randomness of those players should help illustrate the randomness of some of the players listed below, and why they're still here. (As you will no doubt see, Indiana hasn't had cap space for a while.) The cap hold that these free agents have varies, depending on how much the salary in the final year of their last NBA contract was; the cap hold is a percentage of that salary, and is also dependent on what kind of free agent rights the team has on that player. Listed in the "type" column is a brief description of the cap hold that that player has, and a fleshed out description of what those terms mean follows this colon: 250%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was lesser than the average salary. 200%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was greater than the average salary. 190%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, NOT coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was lesser than the average salary. 150%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, NOT coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was greater than the average salary. 130%: The player is an Early Bird free agent. 120%: The player is a non-Bird free agent. Min: The player's previous salary was a minimum salary contract, and therefore so is their cap hold. Note that if the player has one year of experience, the second year minimum is used, but if the player has more experience than that, the third year minimum is used instead, even if they're like a 28 year veteran. This is due to the league's rebate policy thing that sees all players with two or more years experience signed to a one year (or rest of the year) minimum salary contract are charged to their team's salary cap as being only third year players, with the league making up the balance between that and their actual minimum salary, so as to not deter teams from signing older players just because they cost more. Max: If the player had used the correct one of the percentages used above, their contract would have exceeded the maximum salary; therefore the maximum salary is used instead. 3rd year: The player is a free agent after only three seasons of their rookie contract, having had their fourth year option declined. Their cap hold becomes what the value of their fourth year option would have been. Note: such players are NOT eligible for restricted free agency, 2nd year: Same as 3rd year, but a year earlier (i.e. they had their third year option declined). QO: The player is a restricted free agent, but NOT coming off of the rookie salary scale; their cap hold is for the value of their qualifying offer. Offer sheet: The player currently has an offer sheet pending; if the first year's salary of that offer sheet is greater than the QO, then the value of the first year of the offer sheet is used as the cap hold."

The rule is that a sign and trade player has to be traded immediately to the other team (48 hours) and can have other (assets) players packaged with him. Since one contract is signed before the other...one player is a free agent while another is an asset. You can't trade free agent rights. At the point of signing the first deal, you have to have your ducks in a row. In the case of Lopez who is the problem here, he is under a qualifying offer. A restricted free agent. He's already been offered a deal that isn't a snt type of deal.

A hold is not a player. 2 different things.

Because it's on Shamsports still for this coming year. No other reason.

The deal with the Nets doesn't work. Lopez is on his qualifying offer year. Brooks is on his rookie contract. They add up to 5.5 million. Humpries is unsigned. Dwight will make 19.5 mil. Humphries would have to make 7.5 million to make it work at 150%. I can't see the Magic accepting Lopez without a new deal in place. Can't sign and trade 2 players in a trade. "When a team initiates a sign-and-trade agreement, it must trade the signed player immediately; teams cannot renege on the arrangement and keep the player for themselves, using the other team's financial situation to leverage the signee into a more favorable deal for themselves. Also, the contract signed before the trade must be for at least 3 years, with the first year guaranteed. If a newly-signed player is not part of a sign-and-trade, his new team cannot trade him until December 15 of the calendar year in which he was signed or three months after the date on which he signed, whichever arrives later." Lopez is working on being resigned, is a restricted free agent. Humphries is an unstricted free agent. I just don't understand how you can sign 2 players and trade them. Seems to violate the rule.

I hope you guys listened to that. That isn't a guy saying...if it happens, it happens. It's a guy saying, "dang..why are they trying to trade me.". The rumors are just that....rumors.

http://www.jimrome.c.../465575/1624026 This is from Jim Rome last year. During the last wave of "media reports" that Josh was asking for a trade. In every rumor there is always truth but the guy has publicly always said, Atlanta is his home and that all he wants to do is win.