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Thanks campster...that was impressive...he didn't miss a single shot !Let's think...how could an NBA professional defender stop him from doing that "elite step back jumper"??? It would almost be impossible to stop.Unless you bodied up on him with a more physical guy and forced him to shoot under pressure...maybe with a defender who is a bit taller and more athletic. Maybe even a guy who could block the shot by jumping high and a little bit forward. The defender could keep on him all the time and only relax a bit as he cut across the middle because he knew he had a center to block the driving shot. Yep...that could work.

Bodying him up won't work. He is very good at using his body to create space when driving. See the 55second through 1:14 on the video and about 1:50 on the video.

great shooter, but that is all you get from him. period. not a great or even good defender, can't distribute, can't drive to the basket, can't create his own show, doesn't handle the ball.

we got a guy who can stand around the perimeter and wait for someone to pass the ball to him for him to jack a shot up. great, that is exactly what we've been missing.

He can do both well, it's the giving the ball up part he has a problem with.

Machado, undrafted!!! Whoda thunk it?

Jenkins is adept at drawing fouls. This was a good pick and good insurance for when Joe is hurt, needs a breather. The kid can score with the best of them. He can get his own shot and hit any spot up J. Willingly pass the ball to an open teammate...not so much.Hey, this might work. If you don't pass it to Josh with 5 seconds left on the clock....hmmmmmmm.

Tidbits of information on Jenkins - Scored 43.2 ppg his senior year of high school.Comparison - a muscular Jamal Crawford.Elite step back jumper.Excellent jab step, stop step, body controlNeeds to work on - passing, defensive positioning.

you should know compared to JJ's last year in college.PPG - 19.9 (JJ - 14.2)PPFGA - 1.45 (JJ - 1.27)FG% - 47.4 (JJ - 46.8)3FG% - 43.9 (JJ - 44.3)2FG% - 54..2 (JJ - 47.6%)FT% - 83.7% (JJ - 74.7%)FT/FGA - .334 (JJ - .263)RPG - 2.9 (JJ- 6.4)APG - 1.2 (JJ - 2.6)Going on pure stats...Jenkins was a better scorer than JJ based on a superior outside shot and better use of his body in getting to the rim. He drew more fouls and shot a higher percentage on 2's (finished drives).He is not the athlete JJ is and is between 3-5 inches shorter depending on what site you look, but is built similar being only 14 lighter than JJ was when he came out.This guy is basically a Jamal/JJ hybrid.

Why is that an insult? If Horf averaged 20ppg and 10rpg and had a back to the basket game or ANY of the post moves Reef had I wouldn't question all the 'Horf is untouchable' posts. He would be untouchable IMHO. Maybe my definition of untouchable is different from everyone else?

If Reef played defense or out of position, I would agree.

SUNDAY, JUNE 24, 2012Once More, With Feeling: Reviewing Joe Johnson's SeasonPreviously: Josh Smith, Larry Drew, Rick SundThe second season of Joe Johnson's second, more ridiculous contract with the Atlanta Hawks demonstrated some practical understanding of his strengths and limitations. Up to a point, it was as good a season as could reasonably expected from Johnson at this stage of his career. That point was the playoffs.During the regular season, Johnson, presumably recognizing his increasing inability to create high-percentage shots for himself or for teammates, demonstrated a greater willingness to finish rather than start possessions and he finished possessions from behind the three-point line more often (per minute and as a percentage of his field goal attempts) than in any previous season in Atlanta. The result of his slightly smaller role in the offense: significantly more efficient scoring at the cost of some assists. A fair trade.With Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford replaced in the rotation by Jeff Teague and Kirk Hinrich, Johnson was no longer burdened with futile defensive assignments. Johnson took on a role more suited to his lack of athleticism and general defensive passivity. He stopped fouling almost completely (committing a little more than one personal foul every 36 minutes and committing more than three personal fouls in a game on three occasions, one of them being the triple overtime loss to Miami) and let his already poor defensive rebounding rate shrink to 9.2%. Neither of these prevented the Hawks from improving significantly defensively, suggesting that reducing Johnson's defensive role was a net positive. He even had a (relative) shot blocking explosion, rejecting 13 shots in 2127 minutes after blocking just 12 shots in more than 5400 minutes during the previous two seasons combined.Despite the positive results, all this sensibility regarding Joe Johnson disappeared in the playoffs. Injuries didn't help matters but, even at less than 100%, Josh Smith and Al Horford clearly looked superior, outplaying the overextended Johnson in the playoffs. That's old news. In a new development, Jeff Teague joined them in outshining Johnson.Johnson repeatedly failed to create good shots for himself or his teammates while struggling to chase Paul Pierce around screens for much of the series. Yet it was Johnson, dribbling nowhere good against a set defense to which the Hawks turned again and again until elimination. It was the worst of Johnson's five mediocre-to-poor playoff performances as a Hawk.The series also re-raised the question of whether the limitations Johnson's contract has put on the team from a player personnel standpoint will continue to carryover onto the court. There are now three younger teammates (Smith, Horford, and Teague) capable of making Johnson a more effective player the more they are on the court, the more they have the ball in their hands. The Hawks are overpaying Joe Johnson to be an above average player. The overpayments* will continue after Johnson has ceased to be an above average player. The team must get maximum value out of him while there remains value to be had.*Since Rashard Lewis was traded again this week, a word regarding untradeable contracts: untradeable contracts become tradeable once another team is in possessions of a contract (or contracts) as large, but longer than the one you want to get out from under. Joe Johnson's contract has four years to run and more than $89 million due. Also, unlike Lewis, Johnson's contract is fully guaranteed.Posted by Bret LaGree at 6:13 PM

This is a perception article. An argument could be made he is 4th valuable when considering salary. Not 4th best. I didn't like his last article either.

http://www.nba.com/h...bers-jon-cooper

51.3/4.0 - The field goal percentage and rebounding total of rookie Ivan Johnson. He was third among NBA rookies in shooting and fourth in rebounding and his three double-doubles tied for sixth.

63.6 - Marvin Williams' three-point shooting percentage in Games Five and Six. Williams shot 3-for-6 in Game five, then went 4-for-5 in the final game. The four three-point FGMs was a career-playoff high. The hot hand carried over from the regular season, when Marvin shot a career-best 38.9 percent from behind the arc during the season.

66 - The number of starts made by point guard Jeff Teague. He was one of only two Hawks to make it through the 66-game season unscathed. Josh Smith was the other.

76.2 - Smith's free throw percentage in the playoffs. It's his best shooting in four years and is second in his career to 2007-08, his first career playoff series.

81.5 - Smoove's free throw shooting total in two series against Boston. Josh has made 53 of his 65 attempts from the charity stripe against the C's.

83 - The number of games lost to injuries by Atlanta bigs Al Horford (55), Jason Collins (21) and Zaza Pachulia (7).

The same reason I give in my Josh thread. You'll never get back equal value at the same price.

I will continune to repeat this to everyone who ignores what makes up 50% of a trade.

On the floor impact is 50% of the equation...........contracts are the other 50% and Josh Smith's contract is $13 million for 1 more year which means whoever trades for Josh Smith could only be getting a 1 year rental rather then a player locked up on a long contract. That risk greatly reduces the trade value for a player in Josh Smith's situation.

Chase Budinger is a bargain contract at $854 K with a team option for next season. That contract makes him even more attractive to other clubs in trades since it is a bargain. The T'Wolves probably believe they are getting a better player then they could get with the 18th pick plus they are saving a few million dollars.

Wrong, Wrong Wrong. Because of the new CBA, trading for a player in the last year of his contract increases the chance you get him during free agency because only you can now offer him the best terms on the new deal. Trading for him is circumventing the free agent process. You've given yourself a 1 up in the new negotiations. You can now circumvent the cap to offer him a better deal and you can offer him 1 more year. This is a very big deal.

However, Dolfan is very right about the trade kicker. Acquiring a high priced player like Smith whose contract was the result of a matched offer creates a trade kicker of I believe 15%. 15% on 13.2 million dollars is 1.98 million. Trading for Smith is the same as giving away $1.98 million. This is one of the reasons the stories about Josh Smith trade demands are mostly bogus. Smith and his agent are well aware there is a big fat penalty to acquiring him in trade.

Josh Smith is a top 25-35 player. He would be rated higher if he wasn't for his shot selection.

Gonna criticize you for a second. When you make statements like "is a top 25-35 player" but don't offer backup information is when you get in trouble. The reality is he might be higher. Two interesting Stats are EWA and VA as a part of Hollinger's PER. Value added is the point difference Hollinger feels the players presence made over the average player. EWA - Estimated Wins Added is number of wins that player added over adding an average player (bench scrub). In both categories, Josh finished 13th this season in his metric of qualified players at 11.2 wins (66 game season). Compared to say Joe Johnson at 8.5 or Lebron James at 23.5. By using a metric to say (he's a top 15 player), I gain some credibility by using these 2 stats. Regardless, this doesn't make me right it only strengthens my argument. Then using PER I could strengthen it. Win shares, defensive win shares would help. +/-, etc. These are total value stats as opposed to just points scored or blocked shots.Less opinions, more facts = more respect.

That is a good question. My post after that explained this. Josh's return on salary is extremely high. Something people forget is you can only have 5 on the court at once and a rotation is only 8-9 players. Championship rosters get the most out of their salary spent on 8-9 players. Use Teague as an example. Being still on his rookie contract, his return on investment is extremely high. He isn't the best PG in the league but his return is excellent for his salary. Now JJ....Although he is a very good player, his salary of 18mil+ requires 150% greater value than say Horford because his salary is 150% of Al's.If you assumed for the top 9 players on every roster would take 95% of the salary for the team and assume teams spend up to the LT. That means an average salary of just under 8 million per player. Okay, now the average team scores about 95 points a game, 90 of those by the top 9 players (I hope you see where I'm going with this). So a 10 point per game player who performs "average" in rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers/blocks against other players at his position (to be fair) would command about 8 million dollars a year in salary. Crazy logic here but that makes Marvin's salary about right. Now look at Josh. Josh scored about 18 points a game. If we only counted points...he would get paid 180% of base or $14.4 million. Now he is top tier in assists/steals at his position and top 15% in Rebounds/Blocks too. Using this commodity approach, he's worth 15-16 million a year. Now compare Joe. 19 points a game means $15.1 million but he under performs or is average for his position in almost every category so he's about a $14 million dollar player. Just a guesstimate here. So in trading Joe, a fair trade is to get back about a $14 million dollar player or a slightly less than upgrades us elsewhere. This is why Joe and 23 for Lowry and 14,16,18 is a better value trade than the one with Scola/Josh. Because you are getting a better chance to replace value. You aren't just replacing the player. If you think of it in player terms, your biases will come out. Think of it as salary as a part of the cap vs numbers produced.Now let's pretend you could trade Josh for a Center (say Bogut level), moving Horford to the 4. Bogut would produce similar to Horford at the 5 with better defense/rebounding. Horford would produce similar or better than Josh at the 4 with better rebounding. Now we're at a trade that works better. Now improve our draft position in that trade enough to get a better PG/backup SG/upgrade over Marvin and I'd make the trade.I'm not against trading Smoove...I just see it in terms of value vs contract. Even if we resign Josh, it won't be for max. Let him walk and you won't get back the same value in cap space. Trade him and because he's a high value player, you won't get back a good return.I have the same logic with Teague/Horford. There is almost no trade you can get for Horford that would replace his impact for his salary. But because Joe makes 6 million more and is in a need position, might be able to flip him in a 3 way.

taking my statement a step further. A real center next to Horford, plus a solid backup at SG (drafted), quality backup point guard signed improves the roster.Teague/good backupJJ/good backupMarvinHorford/JohnsonBogut/Zazais superior to what we have now. It's all about team makeup and value per salary spent.But don't be fooled. Moving JJ should be priority one, not moving Smith.

Campster, What in your mind would then constitute not only a "fair" deal for JS but one that we should consider? All this assuming say a 50% chance he resigns with us or signs elsewhere. I understand the premise that drafted talent will not align with JJ's talent-window. I don't know how to resolve it save returning to the Gasol/pick for JS/MW idea or trading JJ in a deal that includes a lottery pick (which seems impossible).

That is a good question. My post after that explained this. Josh's return on salary is extremely high. Something people forget is you can only have 5 on the court at once and a rotation is only 8-9 players. Championship rosters get the most out of their salary spent on 8-9 players. Use Teague as an example. Being still on his rookie contract, his return on investment is extremely high. He isn't the best PG in the league but his return is excellent for his salary. Now JJ....Although he is a very good player, his salary of 18mil+ requires 150% greater value than say Horford because his salary is 150% of Al's. If you assumed for the top 9 players on every roster would take 95% of the salary for the team and assume teams spend up to the LT. That means an average salary of just under 8 million per player. Okay, now the average team scores about 95 points a game, 90 of those by the top 9 players (I hope you see where I'm going with this). So a 10 point per game player who performs "average" in rebounds/assists/steals/turnovers/blocks against other players at his position (to be fair) would command about 8 million dollars a year in salary. Crazy logic here but that makes Marvin's salary about right. Now look at Josh. Josh scored about 18 points a game. If we only counted points...he would get paid 180% of base or $14.4 million. Now he is top tier in assists/steals at his position and top 15% in Rebounds/Blocks too. Using this commodity approach, he's worth 15-16 million a year. Now compare Joe. 19 points a game means $15.1 million but he under performs or is average for his position in almost every category so he's about a $14 million dollar player. Just a guesstimate here. So in trading Joe, a fair trade is to get back about a $14 million dollar player or a slightly less than upgrades us elsewhere. This is why Joe and 23 for Lowry and 14,16,18 is a better value trade than the one with Scola/Josh. Because you are getting a better chance to replace value. You aren't just replacing the player. If you think of it in player terms, your biases will come out. Think of it as salary as a part of the cap vs numbers produced.Now let's pretend you could trade Josh for a Center (say Bogut level), moving Horford to the 4. Bogut would produce similar to Horford at the 5 with better defense/rebounding. Horford would produce similar or better than Josh at the 4 with better rebounding. Now we're at a trade that works better. Now improve our draft position in that trade enough to get a better PG/backup SG/upgrade over Marvin and I'd make the trade.I'm not against trading Smoove...I just see it in terms of value vs contract. Even if we resign Josh, it won't be for max. Let him walk and you won't get back the same value in cap space. Trade him and because he's a high value player, you won't get back a good return.I have the same logic with Teague/Horford. There is almost no trade you can get for Horford that would replace his impact for his salary. But because Joe makes 6 million more and is in a need position, might be able to flip him in a 3 way.

Because I obviously don't value quality relationships, I researched a list for this discussion. These were NBA salaries this past season. Highlighted are players making more than Josh Smith with either less production or whose teams performed poorly. The idea here is about risk vs value. There is a reason that with Horford out, Joe out we still won a few games. Horford/Smith are the types of players you must have on your roster to win. They help you win games you shouldn't. Go through this list and you'll see it peppered with similar names. The highlighted players are just people who the stats obviously bear out in favor of Smith.

This isn't a defense of Smith, his behavior, the rumors about trade requests. It's just a stop and think about this moment. There aren't a lot of these top 3 type talents out there and most of them make more money than Smith. The NBA is a commodities game and you don't sell short on commodities.

Kobe Bryant L.A. Lakers $25,244,493 Kevin Garnett Boston Celtics $21,247,044 Tim Duncan San Antonio Spurs $21,164,619 Rashard Lewis Washington Wizards $21,136,630 Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Mavericks $19,092,873 Pau Gasol L.A. Lakers $18,714,150 Carmelo Anthony New York Knicks $18,518,574 Amar'e Stoudemire New York Knicks $18,217,705 Dwight Howard Orlando Magic $18,091,770 Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks $18,038,573 Elton Brand Philadelphia 76ers $17,059,727 Chris Paul L.A. Clippers $16,359,805 Deron Williams Brooklyn Nets $16,359,805 Chris Bosh Miami HEAT $16,022,500 LeBron James Miami HEAT $16,022,500 Dwyane Wade Miami HEAT $15,512,000 Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder $15,506,632 Paul Pierce Boston Celtics $15,334,334 Zach Randolph Memphis Grizzlies $15,200,000 Antawn Jamison Cleveland Cavaliers $15,076,715 Rudy Gay Memphis Grizzlies $15,032,144 Andrew Bynum L.A. Lakers $14,900,000 Al Jefferson Utah Jazz $14,000,000 Andre Iguodala Philadelphia 76ers $13,531,750 Carlos Boozer Chicago Bulls $13,500,000 Tyson Chandler New York Knicks $13,107,837 Nene Washington Wizards $13,000,000 Manu Ginobili San Antonio Spurs $12,981,038 Marc Gasol Memphis Grizzlies $12,922,194 Marcus Camby Houston Rockets $12,866,332 Chris Kaman New Orleans Hornets $12,700,000 Tony Parker San Antonio Spurs $12,500,000 Emeka Okafor New Orleans Hornets $12,492,500

Really the housing market in Atlanta is that bad? A used Mini for a get away home in stripper alley; buy a used Cooper on the side and do the deal. Wifey does not have to know about it!

I bought my home in the western suburbs for $215k in 2007. I thought I got a good deal when it appraised for $239k. Recent appraisal was $125.5K. Yes, the housing market is that bad and the Cooper is almost new. I look like Fred Flintstone driving it but she loves it.

What you said wasn't common knowledge and please cite it next time if you want to put me down. I don't mind admitting when I am wrong but don't do that please unless you have the proof.Now, before I got angry I still feel the same. 14, 16,18 and Scola for Smith and 23 is a fair deal. Otherwise no. No point in doing the deal. Rather try to move into the top 5 or wait till the regular season and stick with what we have.

Now as far as 14, 16, 18, Scola being fair for Smith and 23.Fair, yes I'd agree. Best course, not so much unless there is a background deal to it (like moving Joe and 18 to get into the top 5). Unless you are completely remaking the roster and rebuilding around Horford, Teague - there is no point to just loading up draft picks. Dropping Smith now is the same as saying...we won't win this year. Trading Smith for prospects is giving up on next season. Sure you might make the playoffs but you aren't competing replacing Smith and our bench vets with Scola and draft picks. You need shot creators and you will definately need a defensive stopper. So by the time your 3 draft picks grow up, Scola, JJ will be gone/too old.You have to approach this draft by looking at what salary you have tied up 2+ years from now. Next year we have 60 million spent on 6 players (10 million average). The next year, 51 million on 5 players (10.2 million average). The next year, 2 players signed...Joe, Scola and Al for 35 million dollars...17.5 million each. Let's assume you traded Smith and 23 for 14,16,18 (scola has 3 years left). This year you would have 9 players under contract (skola and 3 picks plus the remaining 5) for about 60 millions. the next year, 9 players for 66 million, the next 6 players for 50.5 million. But that's 3 years from now. Scola and Joe are dinosaurs. The rest of your roster are 3 mid level picks that are growing and 2 years of mid level draft picks. AHEM....lottery.Just because it's fair value doesn't make it a good idea. I could trade my wife's Mini Cooper convertible for a house in stripper alley in East Point and it's a fair trade. That doesn't make it a good idea.

camp is without a question right. No one will sign Josh Smith for near max. No one thinks he's a #1 option. He is the player you have to compliment others. He is not even Joe who was seen as Robin and the perfect sidekick to a superstar.

You missed the point of my post I think. My point was, you don't get Josh Smith talent to sign a FA deal for 13 million in the NBA next year. In that list, there are only 6 players I value equally or more than Josh and all make more than 13 million a year.AHF was making the case that putting Josh in the context of value because his expiring status was ludicrous. I was seconding his comment but clarifying. Something about AHF you might want to know is that he tends to leave out details. The details are typically common knowledge to him and he leaves them out assuming other's know these things as well. As far as contracts, trades, go...he's as knowledgable as anyone here. Player evaluation and play style is something he and I argue about occasionally but in the area of CBA, Salary Cap, Trades, etc....you could do alot worse than asking him for clarification.

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Does someone not realize that Charlotte just bought a first round pick for $13M? The first round pick was the price for another team absorbing Gordon's ridiculous contract. Maggette was included because he has an expiring salary.

This trade was basically "expiring salary" for $25M over the next two years for a worthless player plus a 1st round sweetner to get some team to take that bad contract.

What part of that precedent is relevant to Josh Smith?

Is this an argument that Josh Smith's expiring salary should be usable to acquire an overpaid loser who will raise our 2013-14 cap number dramatically and that we can pick up an extra first in the process?

I hope it isn't an argument that "look what Maggette was worth and he stinks that must mean Josh is worth so much more!"

You didn't even need to go into your explanation. The idea of "expiring contract" was D.O.A.

The interesting thing about the "expiring contract" argument is that you only value an expiring contract if A: You really don't value the player. and B: You are expecting a free agent to be available that you can A: entice and B: afford.

No one signs Josh Smith, easily a top 1 or 2 player on most teams, and says, "boy I can't wait till his deal is up so I can use his 13 million to sign someone else."

Joe Johnson, maybe.

The idea of an expiring is like a placeholder for salary you think you can use to get someone better. There is not going to be a 13 million dollar a year free agent next year better than Josh Smith.

What follows is the free agent list for next year. Remember, the free agent must want to sign with you, be unrestricted, be better than Josh Smith and available for 13.2 million or less. I've eliminated restricted and team option free agents because if they're worth 13.2 million, the team is bringing them back. Lost cause to discuss.

Now show me the player in there that someone will trade significantly for Josh for so they can dump his salary to sign them. That person isn't in the list.

You trade for Josh Smith to make him your number 2 option, to entice another player to sign, anchor your Defense or complete your team. Not as a bargaining chip.

Point Guard

Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers – $17.8 million – Unrestricted

Devin Harris, Utah Jazz – $8.5 million – Unrestricted

Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors – $10.6 million – Unrestricted

Jarrett Jack, New Orleans Hornets – $5.4 million – Unrestricted

Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.4 million – Unrestricted

Will Bynum, Detroit Pistons – $3.3 million – Unrestricted

Jeremy Pargo, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.0 million – Unrestricted*

Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $2.0 million – Unrestricted

Sebastian Telfair, Phoenix Suns – $1.6 million – Unrestricted

Daniel Gibson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.8 million – Unrestricted

C.J. Watson, Chicago Bulls – $3.2 million – Unrestricted

Shaun Livingston, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted

Shelvin Mack, Washington Wizards – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Andrew Goudelock, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard

(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Kevin Martin, Houston Rockets – $12.4 million – Unrestricted

Ben Gordon, Detroit Pistons – $12.4 million – Player Option ($13.2 million)

Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs – $14.1 million – Unrestricted

Corey Maggette, Charlotte Bobcats - $10.9 million – Unrestricted

Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies – $3.3 million – Unrestricted

J.J. Redick, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Unrestricted

Stephen Jackson, San Antonio Spurs – $10.1 million – Unrestricted

Mike Dunleavy, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.8 million – Unrestricted

Anthony Morrow, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Unrestricted

Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.1 million – Unrestricted

Ronnie Brewer, Chicago Bulls – $4.4 million – Unrestricted

Gary Neal, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Corey Brewer, Denver Nuggets – $2.7 million – Unrestricted

Gary Forbes, Toronto Raptors – $1.5 million – Unrestricted

Reggie Williams, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Unrestricted

Martell Webster, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.7 million – Unrestricted

Raja Bell, Utah Jazz – $3.5 million – Unrestricted

Charles Jenkins, Golden State Warriors – $0.8 million – Unrestricted

Lester Hudson, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward

(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks – $13.2 million – Unrestricted

Dorrell Wright, Golden State Warriors – $4.1 million – Unrestricted

Jan Vesely, Washington Wizards – $3.2 million – Team Option ($3.3 million)

Linas Kleiza, Toronto Raptors – $4.6 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)

Richard Jefferson, Golden State Warriors – $10.2 million – Player Option ($11.1 million)

Trevor Ariza, New Orleans Hornets – $7.3 million – Player Option ($7.7 million)

James Jones, Miami HEAT – $1.5 million – Player Option ($1.5 million)

Rashard Lewis, Washington Wizards – $22.7 million – Unrestricted

Kyle Korver, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted

Luke Walton, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.8 million – Unrestricted

E’Twaun Moore, Boston Celtics – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Julyan Stone, Denver Nuggets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward

(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

David West, Indiana Pacers – $10.0 million – Unrestricted

DeJuan Blair, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted

Paul Millsap, Utah Jazz – $8.6 million – Unrestricted

Al Jefferson, Utah Jazz – $15.0 million – Unrestricted

Lamar Odom, Dallas Mavericks – $8.2 million – Unrestricted

Josh McRoberts, L.A. Lakers – $3.1 million – Unrestricted

Jeff Pendergraph, Indiana Pacers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted*

Ryan Gomes, L.A. Clippers – $4.0 million – Unrestricted

Charlie Villanueva, Detroit Pistons – $8.1 million – Player Option ($8.6 million)

Craig Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted

Samardo Samuels, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Sean Williams, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Hamady N’Diaye, Washington Wizards – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Justin Harper, Orlando Magic – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Josh Harrellson, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Jon Leuer, Milwaukee Bucks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Center

(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $19.5 million – Unrestricted

Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $16.1 million – Unrestricted

Samuel Dalembert, Houston Rockets – $6.7 million – Unrestricted

Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Unrestricted*

Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs – $3.9 million – Unrestricted*

Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks – $5.3 million – Unrestricted

Brad Miller, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.1 million – Unrestricted

Kurt Thomas, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted

Timofey Mozgov, Denver Nuggets – $3.1 million – Unrestricted*

Johan Petro, Brooklyn Nets – $3.5 million – Unrestricted

Dexter Pittman, Miami HEAT – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Jon Brockman, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted

Brandan Wright, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Jerome Jordan, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Okay, let's take a look at the different major points of value in trading for a player.1. current player contribution2. long term value3. current cap situation4. current player salary5. expected player salary6. marketabilityUsing my 2007 draft result (random year older than 3 years..FYI).1. Josh would rank an A/A- in category 1. Someone like Marvin would rank a C. Remember, this is not in relation to their salary, just overall production. Lebron an A+, etc.2. Josh would rank high here but it goes to mention that since he is an athletic player, 30 is his ceiling and you'll start seeing a decline.3. This is a situational stat for the team trading for and against. Take Golden State who has 10 players and 56 million committed vs. the Hawks who have 6 players an 60 million committed. Josh's salary isn't a hinderance to them, 2 more draft picks with low salaries hold less value. Houston has 11 players commited...5 of which are on team options with only 30 million committed with 11 million more in options. Josh, Joe, Marvin's salaries are of no consequence to them. They actually help as they are required to meet the league minimum. Skola's 9 million isn't really helpful to us as we would only gain 4 million under the LT but what we add in draft pick salary makes up the difference. It's a salary wash with lower expected production (rookies replacing league min vets).4. Josh's salary of 13.2 million is acceptible given his production.5. Josh's expected salary could push 16 million next year if he produces. Sending him to Houston where he gets a chance to be the man could push his value and ensure his bargaining rights next year.6. Josh is a highly marketable player. Boston is chomping at the bit for him right now. However, his antics and shot selection would wear out their welcome in an established market.Houston, GS are examples of optimal trading partners. But Houston lacks the pieces to get Smith without greatly up'ing the ante in picks.

BK is that you? (jk camp nothing personal bro)Hawks have had the laziest (or non-existent) scouting department in all of the NBA. I am hoping Ferry will be able to change that. Yes, if BK was still here draft picks are almost worthless, because we are only gonna get a good player every orange moon. But, Ferry understanding and using the Spurs model of talent evaluation and making more hits than misses is what I am hoping for. Because realistically it is gonna be hard to get a game changer if we don't draft him.

LOL....you made snort a little.

You guys overvalue draft picks, especially non lottery picks way too much. Take a look at the 2007 draft.1. Greg Oden - 11.1 / 8.5 / .9 (66 games missed last 2 years)2. Kevin Durant - 28 / 8 / 3.53. Al Horford - 15 / 9 / 3.5 (adjusted)4 Mike Conley - 12.7 / 2.5 / 6.55. Jeff Green - 9.8 / 3.3 / .076. Yi Jianlian - 2.6 / 1.6 / .27. Corey Brewer - 8.9 / 2.5 / 1.58. Brandan Wright - 6.9 / 3.6 / .39. Joakim Noah - 10.2 / 9.8 / 2.510. Spencer Hawes - 9.6 / 7.3 / 2.711. Acie Law - 5.1 / 1.3 / 1.812. Thaddeus Young - 12.8 / 5.2 / 1.213. Juian Wright - 3.6 / 2.3 / 1.114. Al Thornton - 6.0 / 2.6 /.515. Rodney Stuckey - 14.8 / 2.6 / 3.816. Nick Young - 13 / 2 / 1 (adjusted)17. Sean Williams - 3.7 / 4 / 118. Marco Belinelli - 11.8 / 2.6 / 1.519. Javaris Crittendon - 5.3 / 2.9 / 2.620. Jason Smith - 9.9 / 4.9 / .921. Daeguan Cook - 5.5 / 2.1 /.322. Jared Dudley - 12.7 / 4.6 / 1.723. Wilson Chandler - 9.4 / 5.1 / 2.124. Rudy Fernandez - 8.7 / 2.1 / 2.425. Morris Almond - 3.5 / 2.0 / .526. Aaron Brooks - 9.6 / 1.1 /4.227. Aaron Afflalo - 15.2 / 3.2 / 2.428. Tiago Splitter - 9.3 / 5.2 / 1.129. Alando Tucker - N/A30. Petteri Koponen - N/AJosh Smith - 18.8 / 9.6 / 3.9Total 2007 picks with more points per game - 1 (Durant)Total 2007 picks with more rebounds/game - 1 (Noah by .2)Total 2007 picks with more assists/game - 2 (Conley, Brooks - both PG)Are you freaking kidding me? Scola and 1 pick? Are you freaking kidding me?Draft picks are a crap shoot. Smith's numbers outperform every person in the 2007 draft except Durant. If you could go back and put Smith in the 2007 draft, Durant would go 1, Smith 2, Horford 3, Noah 4. And you guys are like (but this is a deep draft, blah blah). This isn't like JJ's situation where he is 5 years older and in a massive contract. This is Josh in his prime.

San Antonio has a system. Atlanta, well, doesn't.

San Antonio also had a guy named Duncan. Atlanta doesn't.

You have to keep Horford...he is a player you build around

I completely agree. There are exciting game changing players (like Josh) but then there are players that every championship team has on the roster. Horford is one of those players. He is just a winner.

I'm trolling you by bringing up hard cold facts that show how utterly and completely wrong you are? Riiiiight. And you still go on to state this gibberish about him scoring low in "most games" when he only scored 10 or less points seven times in sixty games. That's a little over four percent. You don't need to remember every stat sheet to know saying something like that is simply absurd.

That's 11.67% Sothron, not 4 %. 7/60=.1167Still not overwhelming but it isn't 4%.Now...everyone who knows anything about me on this board knows I am not a fan of JJ's contract or his style of play but as multiple posters have pointed out, Amnesty is not the way to go.First of all, regardless of whether or not you amnesty Joe you will be somewhere between the cap and the LT when you complete the roster. Every dollar of Joe's salary not picked up by the bidding team, you still have to pay. It just doesn't count against the cap/LT. But in essence it is almost the same cost as a Luxury Tax infraction. The only difference is you don't incur multiple year penalties.The "answer" with JJ is to take back shorter bad contracts and a draft pick in exchange for someone taking on the albatross. The perfect trade partner this year is Golden State who have Biedrins and JRich whose combined salary is = to JJ's but half as long and are easier to move individually. GS has the 7th pick in the draft and are in desperate need of a veteran SG/SF to help them take the next step.Three possible scenarios come to mind.Biedrins and #7 for JJ orJRich and #7 for JJ orBiedrins, JRich, #7 and #30 for JJ and #43.I prefer trade 3 and would give youTeague???/JRichSmith/MarvinHorfordPachulia/BiedrinsPicks 7, 23 and 30. Of which you pick either a PG/SG at 7, Fab Melo at 23 and best player available at 30. You have 10 players under contract and have spent about 66 million. You need 3 players and have 6 million to spend. That is your best case scenario.Amnesty Joe and you can't even get this.One more note on GS. They have a 3 million dollar trade exception they need to use.

As a writer, I can tell you that you write things and sit back puffing your chest at the brilliance you've penned. Then others read it and the general consensus is what you've written is a piece of garbage. You scratch your own head in disbelief at the lack of appreciation and insist on rewriting it. More input yields worse results.That is what happened with this article. He repackaged crap and expected a different result. The writer focused on 2 things in the Josh Smith realm and 2 things in the Larry Drew realm and tried to call it a season recap.